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Zuma leads ANC nomination race
« on: November 26, 2007, 12:47:09 am »
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ANC deputy president Jacob Zuma leads the race for nominations for the post of party president with five provinces supporting him, to President Thabo Mbeki's four, SABC news reported on Sunday.

Zuma got overwhelming support from Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal on Sunday evening.

In KwaZulu-Natal Zuma got 580 votes, Mbeki nine. In Gauteng Zuma walked away with 263 votes, Mbeki 94.

Zuma also garnered support from Mpumalanga, the Free State and the Northern Cape. The ANC Youth League last week gave him their backing as well.

Mbeki won nominations the Eastern and Western Cape, Limpopo and the North West.

Zuma received a total of 2 270 votes and Mbeki 1 396, the SABC reported.

Chaos in KZN

ANC spokespersonn Tiyani Rikhotso said the official results would be released on Monday, when the ANC Women's League would also announce its nomination.

The SABC reported that the KwaZulu-Natal nomination process erupted in chaos at the party's general council meeting in Durban.

Delegates were reportedly bitterly divided over the removal of provincial Premier S'bu Ndebele and others seen as Mbeki loyalists from the list.

"The results (so far) provide the first hard indication of how people are voting in the ANC," political analyst Steven Friedman told Sapa on Sunday afternoon.

It was the "hardest information" to date on how the 4 075 ANC voting delegates would cast their secret ballots at the party's national conference in Polokwane, Limpopo, next month.

Independent political analyst Lawrence Schlemmer said the results were a "serious indication" of how things would go in Polokwane.

Early election?

"There's a rough rule that applies: If your branch has decided, by a majority vote, the candidates who should be favoured, people... are under an obligation to carry that particular preference through to their final vote.

"It exercises... considerable leverage on the preferences of individuals.

"I wouldn't say it's necessarily a good, hard indication (of how ANC delegates will vote in Polokwane), but I'd say it was a serious (one)... it's a serious indication, is how I would see it," he said.

Asked if he thought Mbeki would call an early general election should he lose to Zuma, Schlemmer said he did not think this would happen.

"No, I don't think it will happen. It's not really in South Africa's political culture to be that responsive to the democratic climate.

"I think he (Mbeki) will hold out to see if he can't use the last months to increase his leverage and bargaining power," he said.

Friedman said he thought Mbeki would be under pressure to call an early election under these circumstances.

"I think... he (Mbeki) would be under pressure to call an early election, because it would create tensions. It would create problems within government; it would, I think, make his own position difficult.

"Whether he would actually do that or not, I don't know. Certainly there would be pressure to hold an election so you don't have a situation where the president of the country and the president of the party are different people... and political rivals," he said.

Economic policy

On Zuma becoming party president and moving on to become president of South Africa, and the impact this might have on investors, Friedman said that in the event of a Zuma presidency, he did not think there would be a "significant shift" in economic policy.

"Zuma has said this repeatedly. As far as the way in which investors would... respond, my guess is that... there could be a bit of a re-run of what happened when Trevor Manuel became finance minister.

"I think there will be a sharp reaction from investors initially, but I think that will calm down. He (Zuma) is already on a charm offensive to business; I would expect him to continue that."

Friedman said he did not think Zuma was as harsh towards big business as business thought he was.

"That's why I think that if he does become president of the country, I think he would mend fences with business very quickly," he said.

SACP, Cosatu

Schlemmer, asked if he though there might be a sharp reaction from investors in the event of Zuma becoming president of the ANC, and president of the country, said he did not think so, but expected there would be some change in economic policy.

In this regard, Zuma would be "constantly reminded that the SA Communist Party and the trade union movement, whether officially or otherwise, have been on his side".

That meant some things would definitely change.

"I would imagine... there'll be somewhat more reserve in the naked enrichment of party insiders, the way it's happening at the moment... I think that will have to be tempered, because it's not popular in the trade union movement."

Schlemmer sounded one warning.

"One of the things that is a real danger... is that there'll be very, very heavy pressure on the Governor of the Reserve Bank not to raise interest rates, and we may see investors becoming nervous about inflation," he said.

'Neck-and-neck finish'

Last week, University of Cape Town politics lecturer Zwelethu Jolobe told Sapa he believed that in the event of a two-way contest between Mbeki and Zuma, it was likely to be a neck-and-neck finish.

The only other time in the ANC's history where there had been a close finish was in 1940, where Dr AB Xuma won the presidency by one vote, he said.

However, the looming threat of corruption charges against Zuma could give Mbeki an edge in the last lap.

He was not convinced that Zuma, who had suffered a "damaging" two years since his dismissal as deputy president of the country, could win against an incumbent who did not face the same pressures from the legal system, and whose macro-economic policies were "very secure".

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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2007, 06:13:03 am »
Ek het 'n hol kol op my maag.  Die areme mense wat hier agter bly.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2007, 06:23:48 am »
Ek is met jou Cranky........ Voel eintlik siek! :censored:



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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2007, 10:04:41 am »
H K G K - pak daai tassies, los wat nie inpas nie en KOM !!!  :knuppel2: :knuppel2: :knuppel2:  :tickedoff:
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2007, 02:00:41 am »
now i firmly believe south africa is heading down the same road as Zim.
Ladies and Gentleman, without me sounding like a raving lunatic, I believe Zim was only a trial. This is only the beginning, we aint seen nothing yet.....  >:( get out ASAP !!!
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2007, 04:29:09 am »
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It's not really in South Africa's political culture to be that responsive to the democratic climate.

Now that has got to be the quote of the year. A really nice way to say that the polictician actually don't give a  :censored: about the people...  :tickedoff:

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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2007, 06:23:58 am »
I am worried about the people stuck here who want to but can't leave.  They don't have the education needed, don't have the finances and aren't on the ssl.  Single mom's with kids that are stuck here, poor folks I have spoken to, you can see the fear for the future in their eyes, but they have no where to go.  Those are the people and children I really feel for.  The ones who can get out and don't I have no sympathy for.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2007, 12:16:35 pm »
When we saw this on the news last night, we both said out loud thank  :censored: we are getting out of here.
We knew this was going to happen and that it is tickets for SA if he comes into power.


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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2007, 12:50:10 pm »
I am worried about the people stuck here who want to but can't leave.  They don't have the education needed, don't have the finances and aren't on the ssl.  Single mom's with kids that are stuck here, poor folks I have spoken to, you can see the fear for the future in their eyes, but they have no where to go.  Those are the people and children I really feel for.  The ones who can get out and don't I have no sympathy for.

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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2007, 09:22:19 pm »
for me it makes no difference who leads the ANC, they are all a bunch of communist trained terrorists who only know how to kill, steal and sabotage, so no one is a better choice than the other - only a worse choice.

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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2007, 04:27:40 am »
People I know who went to SA from Zim at least 20+ years ago have all said that SA has gone down quicker than Zim.  And now it is on a fast track down hill.

I think of my family and in-laws who are still in SA, my parents on pension - no one wants them, my sister can't see the problems, brother-in-law with a child who is mentally challenged, and my mother-in-law who can't leave till her own mother has passed on... and that could be a long way away.   :'(  :'(

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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2007, 06:17:11 am »
5 years seems like a long time, but once you have citizenship you can work at getting your parents out.  That is the only thought I hang onto when I look at the people we leaving behind.  I am going to do my best to bring those out that can't do it on their own, like my sis in law.
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2007, 07:29:38 am »
Hi Gwen,

Correct me if I am wrong, but you don't need citizenship to sponsor.... You only have to have been resident for 3 years. I know that my sister would have had her residency for 3 years in May next year, and she is going to sponsor my mom then. She got her citizenship in December last year.

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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2007, 07:31:49 am »
Shirls you are correct.  We are hoping that next year May my brother will be able to sponsor my folks to move.  He will have had his residence for 3 years by then.  We have had ours for 1 year now.