Author Topic: I thought I did my homework (Read 718 times)

Steve. · « **on:** April 29, 2008, 08:00:57 AM »

I'm very concerned about the topic of people leaving nz. I've spoken to people there, and also have done a fair amount of searching on the web to make sure that this is the right move to make.

After following a link on the nz chat forum ( http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=1501154&objectid=10477438&pnum=2 ) I have been in a bit of doubt

. Of course now is not the time to be concerned because we have started making things happen to get over there quite quickly.

I'm sure it is still beter than sa but for how long? Are we going from the frying pan into the fire? Only 43 people have read the post on why nzders are moving out

. Check it out.

jafa77 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 29, 2008, 08:16:57 AM »

and why are there jobs in Australia? Because skilled Australians are leaving for USA and UK......they have the same problem. Saffer are taking places in NZ. Kiwis are taking places in Australia. Its the way the world works now. Its a huge cycle.

Yes, people leave for Australia. Like I have said in a post recently Aus and NZ are basically one country and there is natural migration to where the money is. I dont see any need to panic. NZ is a great place. People leave NZ for more money......thats it! You CANNOT compare this to SA where you have a crime wave, collapsing economy, no power etc etc.......NZ is ticking along nicely thank you.

SA Going to NZ Advice Forum · « **Reply #1 on:** April 29, 2008, 08:16:57 AM »

Alta van zyl · « **Reply #2 on:** April 29, 2008, 08:19:01 AM »

Now I know why the airport is so busy!

LoveNZ · « **Reply #3 on:** April 29, 2008, 08:26:56 AM »

Posts like this makes me feel sooooo good. I know we are making the right decsion.

Claudi · « **Reply #4 on:** April 29, 2008, 08:32:53 AM »

Jip that is true, I've read the thread, and no where these ex Kiwi's mention crime, corruption, etc. that we are faced with. Make your lists of why you want to migrate, take pictures of the roads, keep some newspapers...... these things will refresh your memory when you are home sick.

jafa77 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 29, 2008, 08:39:36 AM »

To be honest Kiwis are spoilt and winge at times. They also compare themselves to big brother Australia. They have a bit of an inferiority complex. Obviously Australia is bigger, better, more prosperous, more go getters, more ambitious, more successful. But then so is USA more than Canada. Germany more than Holland etc etc.......

Amber · « **Reply #6 on:** April 29, 2008, 08:53:03 AM »

I think that how one of the posts mentioned "no place is perfect" just about sums it up. SA is beautiful - but falling apart, so we move to somewhere more stable. NZ won't be perfect either - BUT it will be much better than where we are now
Amber

SA Going to NZ Advice Forum · « **Reply #6 on:** April 29, 2008, 08:53:03 AM »

Eileen · « **Reply #7 on:** April 29, 2008, 09:48:34 AM »

Well said Amber!!

onix · « **Reply #8 on:** April 29, 2008, 01:49:44 PM »

Interesting, the people that posted those comments obviously don't like their government. And what is the issue about the crime rate? A lot of the people use crime rates as one of the reasons why they want to leave NZ. Am I missing something? I think they should live in SA for a couple of months to see what "crime rates" mean.

jafa77 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 29, 2008, 08:35:36 PM »

Spot on. No people are sick and tired of the socialist Labour government that has been in power since 1999. The polls show the National Party have 52% in the polls which means they are well on track to beat Labour at the general election which is due by late October. We will finally be rid of Helen Clark and her useless govt. Roll on October!

In the last few years the murder rate in NZ was about 66. Last year it was down to 45. Every single one of those murderes makes a huge story on TV news and papers. Many are drug, gang or domestic violence related, most victims know their murderers. And almost all of the murders are solved and people locked up.

Kiwis are unable to imagine what crime is like in SA.

Badprop · « **Reply #10 on:** April 29, 2008, 08:43:45 PM »

Onix when you have a look at crime stats here and in SA, compare appels with appels, not just crime in general. Murder with murder, rape with rape etc you get the picture. There is no comparison when you run away from murder, torture and rape and they run away from theft and domestic disturbance. Please also keep in mind our stats in SA are way under tally as victims lost faith in the police and don't report all crime.

jafa77 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 29, 2008, 08:53:20 PM »

Older Kiwis remember a time when you could leave your keys in your car and not lock doors at all. This was the case in many countries. USA, UK, Australia etc.......times have changed everywhere and petty crime is up. Drugs is the main problem, addicts, mostly teenage or 20s somethings who break in to steal things like laptops to sell for drugs.

The massive difference is that this is not a crime epidemic.....its just worse than it was 20 years ago. And also crime is generally not of a violent nature. People DO NOT live in fear here.

SA Going to NZ Advice Forum · « **Reply #11 on:** April 29, 2008, 08:53:20 PM »

SaKiwiBoer · « **Reply #12 on:** April 29, 2008, 08:55:38 PM »

Quote from: Badprop on April 29, 2008, 08:43:45 PM

Onix when you have a look at crime stats here and in SA, compare appels with appels, not just crime in general. Murder with murder, rape with rape etc you get the picture. There is no comparison when you run away from murder, torture and rape and they run away from theft and domestic disturbance. Please also keep in mind our stats in SA are way under tally as victims lost faith in the police and don't report all crime.

Ditto to Proppies and Jafa77's posts. BUT I need to add as usual. A lot of NZ's crime is tagging. (graffiti for our SA members) Which means if you paint anything on a wall or whatever and you are caught it is seen as criminal. In SA it will not even be mentioned. So compare apples to apples, Cheers,

, SAKB

zatexnz · « **Reply #13 on:** April 30, 2008, 04:21:51 AM »

All said... we ordered our washing machine Saturday a week ago, and it was not delivered. phone, phone, next day phone... eventually it comes out that it was "lost" (I think stolen?) off the truck that was bringing it to Hamilton from Auckland!

Well hopefully I'll have my machine tomorrow and start washing... well.... I'm not really looking forward to all that washing

AH.. .but I must agree with the others... this is a once off very rare occasion... not the norm here in NZ at all... worst crimes is teens doing drugs (mostly lower income families), and then doing domestic violence. your everyday life is not lived in fear of crime.

christienc · « **Reply #14 on:** April 30, 2008, 06:56:22 PM »

Hi,

my husband found the following article on the internet. At first I thought it was a joke, but apparently not. Does anybody know about this?

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jcR2m5OipMWeb4uPiUuxK_LBN1ag

Police say New Zealand activists planned war on whites
Oct 16, 2007

WELLINGTON (AFP) â€” Activists arrested during an anti-terrorist sweep across New Zealand were planning a war in which white people would die, according to documents released Wednesday.

Police arrested 17 people on Monday and recovered several weapons during a series of raids targeting Maori and environmental activists.

At a bail hearing for one of the arrested men, Jamie Lockett, prosecutors said he had sent a series of text messages saying he intended to launch a war.

The messages, intercepted by police, were said to include "White men are going to die in this country" and "I'm declaring war on this country very soon."

Lockett was described in court as an active participant in a group that had the potential to make a violent impact on New Zealand society.

Prominent Maori activist Tame Iti was also preparing to declare war, according to police documents reported in the Dominion Post newspaper.

The documents, disclosed by police to lawyers for the accused, showed authorities had been monitoring Iti for 18 months, videoing his training camps and intercepting text messages, the newspaper quoted a source as saying.

Iti was said to have stated three months ago that he had stopped all his other activities "to make war on New Zealand."

The source described the movement as "comical" and "amateurish" with the group buying military uniforms from an army surplus store.

Police Association president Greg O'Connor said the operation was "triggered by credible intelligence of a serious threat to New Zealand's safety and security.

"We need to realise there are fringe elements in our society, as in all others, that draw inspiration and encouragement from extremist activities overseas that most of us would find horrifying."

Police spokesman Jon Neilson said although weapons and "other armaments" had been seized during the raids, police would not go into specifics nor confirm media reports that a napalm bomb was among the contraband.

Most of those arrested face firearms charges.

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