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Offline lotrico

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Returning to SA
« on: February 07, 2009, 08:35:59 PM »
So, here we are on our way back to SA. 

Reasons:

1)  Lack of Medical Specialist and not enough resources; waiting for hours to be helped even though we were on private medical
    Always have to work through a GP and can not just go to a specialist.
    Can not get my regular medication here since the Government controll's what the Dr's can and can not prescribe unless you want to pay hundreds of dollars for that spesific medication.

2)  Can not live on a Nett Salary of $5500.  Month to month you might get by but you can never save enough.

3)  Property is crazy expensive and not affordable unless you have $100 000 as deposit.

4)  Can not stand the rudness and disrespect of children, the lazyness and the attitude of "no worries" the state will provide.

5)  Everywhere I look I just see tatoos, piercings and weirdos.

6)  Can not afford to buy any clothes.  You'll pay $20 for a shirt which you would pay R20 or less for in SA.  I have 2 small toddlers who need new wardrobes every 4 to 6 months because they grow so quickly and I have looked for a cheap place like PEP here but can not find it.

7)  I mis my family and can not bare the thought that it might be 3 years or more before I ever see them again. 

8)  If I want to see my family, I would have to save up for the next 2 years and then all of the money would be gone the instant that I book the tickets so we will never be able to save up to buy a property or anything else.

9)  The schools are just as bad and you have to shop around for the right school and that would come at a price........ private school fees!

10)  Kiwi "can do attitude".  They will be quick to say that they can do this and they can do that but if they have to show you how to do that then they can't.  They like to act superior and pretend that they know all.  They are quick to label you as negative if you are realistic in saying that the deadline is not achieveable in the given time span ect......

11)  I can not stand the houses that has this "paper" walls (office like dry walls).  You can hear everything.  The slightest little thing pokes a whole right through the wall and makes marks everywhere.  My nerves have had it, I could not live like that. 

12)  They don't have vibracrete wall's like SA.  They have wooden piket like fences seperating you from your neighbours.  They might just as well not have anything between you and the neighbours.  You have no privacy. 

13)  They are nosey and always want to be the wistle blower.  (Klikkie bekke)

14)  They always try to be politically correct. 

I suppose I can highlight more things but the idea is not to down the country.  I only wanted to share this so that other people might learn from our mistakes and try and deal with these things before they come over.  We did not think about the what if's and we did not realise that we would have to prepare our emotions like when you say goodbye permanently.

We also made the mistake of buying cars for more than $5000.  It is not nessesary because the vehicles here are kept in excellent condition and because you have to do roadworthy so often the cars of $2000 are also in good shape. 

With all of that being said I also have to say that we will miss certain things about New Zealand.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2009, 09:32:44 PM by lotrico »



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Re: Returning to SA
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2009, 08:48:27 PM »
“May you have the hindsight to know where you've been, The foresight to know where you are going, And the insight to know when you have gone too far” - Irish blessing

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Re: Returning to SA
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2009, 08:48:27 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2009, 09:31:00 PM »
Have you been here 4 months?

Well,  one thing which I dont like about some south africans is that when white people got pushed down for the colour of their skin for actions they never took part in,  there were those white folks who quickly joined the goverment in pushing them down,  just to get in favour with the goverment people.   They basically would sell their own family members just to get a few browny points with the goverment of the day... no more pride in their own believes.

so... I think those people are here in NZ.. I agree with a few few points of yours lotrico, and rather impressed with your open expression of your feelings .... i wlil sit back and watch your own people mock you.. Purely because those people i spoke about in the previous paragraph,  now live here and would sell their own just to fit in.

Flipside is,  that although I might agree with alot of your points,  I am just going to say,  we are not in SA anymore.  We didnt move here because we didnt like the scenery.  We moved here because of kids and for a better life without crime.   I earn far less than you(and comparitivately to what i earn in SA) but in time I will earn more,  I am studying.  I said before,  our people should stick together and have a few more braais.

Just so you know,  its not that i dislike the kiwi people,  i love them.  The people i work with are great.  My kids go to school with a few rough guys,  i teach my kids to be strong.  I see tatoos and i tell my kids that it "breaks" what God gave us.  We had a braai and a few beers yesterday to be honest and if you speak to the guys that came over now,  you will hear how great it is here compared to SA.

Now, you are going back to SA.. you will have to go look for a work again which is better than what you had.  You have to buy a house again in the current market compared to what you sold for under market value just to get it sold.. You are going to pay private schools that side and also worry about your kids getting killed for cell phones and the like.

all i should say is.
I wish you the absolute best of luck lotrico.  Respect for having the guts to speak your mind and leave NZ for SA.
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Re: Returning to SA
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2009, 09:57:18 PM »
Hi Lotrico

I respect your right to say how you see NZ and I am sure you have had very different experiences to the ones I have had.

However, may I comment on a few points? not to be critical or anything, but really for others reading this and considering coming to NZ..... please dont be offended.  :)

I arrived back in Auckland last night after 2 wonderful days in Sydney...and I couldnt have been happier to be home. Every single time I leave NZ I realise what an amazing country we have. I want to comment on a few points you made.

1) Medical: I have only had good experiences with the med services. Though landing up in Middlemore hospital at 2am with a broken finger that required surgery, with rough people with tatooes around me, I was given world class service and surgery within 24hrs. I do not have medical aid in NZ (not needed) and this operation and 2 days in hospital cost me $0. The ward, operating theatre, nurses, doctors etc were all on par or better than a SA private hospital, and this is at a LARGE state hospital in South Auckland (roughish area).

3) Property is expensive but prices are coming down a bit. Most Saffer friends I know own their own home in NZ, though I am still saving! we'll get there.... :)

4) Kiwi kids are not South African. But I have never found them to be rude and disrespectful. Perhaps if you have a very old fashioned concept of respect them it may seem so but this is the 21st century and kids grow up very quickly. The kids I have taught both in Rotorua (poor, Maori decile 4 school) as well as middle class white and Asian kids on the North Shore of Auckland, have been great.

5) I dont see this everywhere I look......though many people do have tatoos.

6) Clothes: if you shop around you will find bargains....The Warehouse has very cheap clothes if you really want to spend the least. I find good clothes from top shops on special all the time.

9) The schools: OK! Not happy with this point!! ;) ;) Yes, there are rough schools (like in SA), but you do NOT have to go private. If you choose correctly (which doesnt take much effort) you will find EXCELLENT schools. I teach at a decile 9 STATE school on the North Shore. The kids receive a MUCH better education than in SA. Top sports school and some of the best academic results in NZ. and the school "donation" is about $400 a YEAR. That is R2500 or so per YEAR. The kids are well behaved, we have few discipline problems, traditional school, no long hair or colour, no tatoos or piercings allowed. Its an absolute pleasure to teach there and the kids are fantastic. Respectful and polite.

11) Houses are different. But I have never noticed it being a problem.

anyway, thats just 2 cents.

Go well and I hope that you settle back in to SA quickly. Perhaps you will become homesick for NZ and head back to these fair islands in the near future. :)

Ka kite ano.








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Re: Returning to SA
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2009, 10:52:53 PM »
Hi Lotrico,

I too have respect for your decision to go back to SA and for your right to say how you see NZ.  My experiences, for the past 2 years, have been very different.
I  too am going to comment on some of your points.  As Jafa says other people coming over need a balanced view, and I have no idea where you are living to have experienced what you have.

1) Medical:  I also can't understand why we have to go through GP's when there is critical problem. My son had to wait 6 weeks for an appointment for an ultra sound on his urinary tract.  In SA I could have taken him directly to my GP and she would have done the ultra sound right away.  I don't have Medical Insurance because we don't need it.  Other than this one frustration I have not had any problems with the GPs.

2) We get a Salary of around $5500 a month and we have managed quite well on that.

3) As Jafa says

4) I have not found many Kiwi kids that are rude and disrespectful, in the cases that I have come across it is more the child trying to push the boundaries especially since the Anti-Smacking law was passed. Parents are still learning new methods of discipline .

5) I haven't either seen tattoos and weirdos every where I go.

6) The Warehouse is the best for bargains, especially when they have their end of season sales, Boxing Day Sales, New Year Sales etc.  There are sales almost every weekend at different shops.  KMart is another store with good bargains on clothing.

7) I miss my family too, and talk to them often via SKYPE.  The best way to keep in touch.  Hopefully we will be able to back for a visit in the future.

9) I have had my son in two schools in NZ, both of them are good.  We started in Mosgiel at Silverstream (South) a decile 6 school, then moved to Chch and really had to search for a good school.  The school in the area where we live had a bad ERO Report last March despite it being a decile 10 school, we looked around and found a school in Bryndwr that was not zoned and is a decile 6/7 and we put him in their.  The schools motto is "Absolutely Brilliant" and the Principle has made sure that the Teachers and the students live up to this motto.

11)  My DH has come to terms with the fact that the housing so different to that in SA.  After all we aren't in SA.  The newer more modern home has batting in the wall to reduce the amount of noise.

12) We have never had a problem with having only a fence between us and our neighbours.  When I grew up in SA, back in the '70's, we also had only wire fences between the properties. We still have plenty of privacy.

Well that's my 2c worth

I do hope that you settle quickly back in SA.

Ka kite ano.



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Re: Returning to SA
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2009, 11:09:36 PM »
good luck and have fun in SA  O0 keep in mind you've lost your right to whinge on crime, bee, politics and all that carrion.   ;)

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2009, 11:10:07 PM »
Hey Lotrico

We are all affected differently with immigration. It works for some and it doesn't work for others.

I fully respect your views as I have been through something similar when I was in the States for 3 months. It just didn't work for me...

I would just like to say that I wish you all the best in South Africa and wishing that everything works out for you.

Take care.

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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2009, 01:53:03 AM »
Lotrico, good luck on your journey back.  May everything work out well for you.  ;) 

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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2009, 04:31:39 AM »
Good luck on your return to SA Lotrico - Hope it all works out for you.

I was going to pass my comments to your posts but others before me have basically said what I wanted to.

We never expected to find SA in NZ when we arrived and were more than willing to adapt to a new type of lifestyle but have found it to be a lot like our lives were in SA.

We're very happy here and wouldn't ever swop it for the crime ridden life in SA.  Just a pity my parents are still there.

Good luck guys.

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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2009, 05:26:49 AM »
Hi Friends!

Thank you for all your kind words and for sharing your experiences in the areas that caused me to decide to return home.  I hope that people considering New Zealand would read these treads and just stop for a moment and think about all the little bit's and pieces that can either make you or brake you in this instance.

Maybe if we could have lived in Auckland's North Shore where the South African's clearly thrive, we could have had a different experience.

Wishing you all teh best.



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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2009, 06:36:09 AM »

Maybe if we could have lived in Auckland's North Shore where the South African's clearly thrive, we could have had a different experience.

Why dont you?  you know what you want,  go for it.
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Re: Returning to SA
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2009, 06:50:52 AM »
I havent arrived in NZ yet, but am going with a totally open mind and a positive attitude, i just know its the right move for us!!  We will be happy there, i have that gut feel!!   O0

Lotrico please tell us where you lived in NZ?

Thanks to everyone's comments it is good for us folks still in SA to have an all around view of how people view things in NZ and how they deal with those issues - a BIG thanks.

Lotrico good luck coming back to SA i hope it all works out for you.   O0

Me on the other hand CANT WAIT to get the heck outta here  ;)

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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2009, 07:09:16 AM »
Hi Lotrico,

Well I was not going to respond to this post but feel I must give my 0.02c worth.

When we or anyone on this forum leaves South Africa for New Zealand or any other country for that matter we have reasons for leaving or for wanting to leave. Now when you down or feel like you want to go back to South Africa for whatever reason I believe you must first stop and think ( I am not saying you haven't). Yes we must stop and think what the reasons where we left South Africa to come to a new country. Then we must ask ourselves if the reasons we left changed for the better or not. If the reasons for leaving South Africa haven't improved then I believe it is not good to go back and that one must work at making a go of the new country - New Zealand.

Yes I agree it is different but I know the reasons why we left have not changed for the better thus NO matter what I will stay in new Zealand the country I now call home. It is difficult and as many have already said immigration is not for sissies, but we are ex South Africans who CAN work at solving our problem and we are strong and resourceful and yes we CAN make a go of it. Good luck to you and your family as you work through this and we hope and pray that whatever the final outcome is that it will work for you. Just remember there are many folk on this forum (including myself) who have to work through this, but we also have this forum to support one another - make use of it, it is always a place for me to come and get support through other members and inspiration to carry on and get settled.

I hope this all makes sense.
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2009, 07:46:33 AM »
lotrico, you LEFT SA much more than what you CAME TO NZ.
which means,  the reasons that compelled you to leave will still be there when you get back.

so lotrico... you cam 11 000 kms around the world... moving 500 km to a city that you might like more... is the least you can do.. perhaps move to the northshore.. or the LOVELY WELLINGTON.
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2009, 08:05:40 AM »
I am very keen to hear which part of NZ you lived in because the New Zealand you describe is not the New Zealand I have come to love so much.

 

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