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Offline Wil net se...

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I wish I knew
« on: July 21, 2009, 04:43:13 AM »
There are a few things I wish I knew before we decided to move to NZ, and despite all our research and all our efforts there are still a few things I wish I knew before we chose NZ as a country to immigrate to.

Although most of the immigration website gives allot of info I still wished someone gave me this link, so that I had an opportunity to see it both ways...

I hope they don’t remove this link here as I think is useful to decide , should I stay , or should I go or maybe NZ might not be for me...maybe I should explore some more...

Remember it's not all the same for everybody ! 

If they do remove this well then everything this link says is true...

http://www.expatexposed.com

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Re: I wish I knew
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2009, 05:10:31 AM »
I've stumbled across it too...it's not just you  ;)

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Re: I wish I knew
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Re: I wish I knew
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2009, 06:41:10 AM »
Hi,

I checked it out and I must say it is good to know other people's views as well, we only hear of the positives but check out the flags next to the postings... most of them are from Canada and Brittan, it is not really a SA perception on things. (hope I checked correctly  :2funny:) They come from first world countires which can be compared with a country such as NZ. For us in SA I am sure that we can not relate to them because we have it SO much worse than them. But it is surely nice to read other opnions on a country you want to make your new home :clap:

I must be honest, I am still in SA and we will be dissapointed in certain things about NZ, I am sure- all is not wonderfull........ but rising water levels don't really worry me so much as crime, murder and rape. Canada and Brittian don't really have the same statistics as ours and it we should ask where SA should be in the next 15 to 25 years, my guess is that everybody will agree that our problems will be way more serious that the minor things, such as water levels.  :confused:

Thanks for the link I will surely read on maybe I will even tell the bunch how greatfull they should be compared to where we are now!

See ya :)

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Re: I wish I knew
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2009, 06:52:35 AM »
If you look hard enough you will find the negatives in everything. Even a smartie box, because it makes you fat, so you can choose to either enjoy the smaties or to think about putting on weight.    It also pays to look before you leap. We did our homework before we came across so we were aware of the good and the bad and the good far out weighs the bad and the negatives here are minor compared to the negatives in SA.

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Re: I wish I knew
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2009, 06:56:03 AM »
I've been here for 18 months now and wouldn't swop NZ for SA any day.  There is just no comparison.  Who the hell would want to go back to living in fear of your and your family's life??? Certainly not me.

Here we can walk the streets in freedom, forget to lock our doors without worrying about it.

Yes there are some things that are not the same as in SA but when in Rome do like the Romans.

We knew that we would never get rich living in NZ but that's not why we're here.  We just wanted the safety to live our lives freely and that's what we've got.

There is nothing that would make me ever change my mind about living in NZ


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Re: I wish I knew
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2009, 06:59:24 AM »
Well you'll never know unless you come here for yourself and see the wood for the trees, or is that the wood in the trees...lol. No jokes aside. I admit, I was *** scared aswell and I told the "chick on the blue couch" that I could not just up and go, we had to go to NZ on holiday and decide for ourselfs. After that, we knew that it was the place for us. Look NZ is NOT the land of milk and honey like some people would like to describe it. It's not, believe me.
1. If you still have family and friends in SA then your 14400 km's away from them. Easy as that.
2. If you think the jobs are waiting for you here, think again, they're not.
3. If you think there is a permanent welcoming committee at the airport waiting just for you to step of the plane to welcome you, think again, there isn't.
4. If you think all roads look like the one's in SA, think again.... they're not.
I think I could carry on, but, this is not what I intended to write, what I wanted to say was, that if you're not sure, come here, and make sure, before hand. I know people like Nolan and others got on the plane and came here without seeing NZ in real life(I think I'm lying now, I showed Nolan NZ's blue skies on skype one day so that he at least knew the skies are also blue in NZ like in SA...lol) but I didn't have the guts to do that. I wanted to know where I was going and if your not sure, come here and make sure. My 2c worth, SAKB.
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Re: I wish I knew
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2009, 01:32:03 PM »
This is a nice thread, thanks Emmerentia. 
We have not ever been in NZ, but we are going in Feb.  When I spoke to my wife about first going for a holiday (LSD) I basically told her that a holiday alone is not going to give you the big picture, for example going over in summer might paint a rosy picture, as well as being on holiday you still see NZ in a limited way.
I told her that we don't have the time or the money to LSD and that the best way is to pack our bags and go experience NZ for real, staying through the wet winters and experiencing the workplace first hand.  After at least two year we might start to form an opinion.
Other people might be in a different situation and might want to consider LSD so I respect that, but we want to get there and get settled, no turning back :-)
I agree with other posts that there are crime everywhere and one always need to be vigilant but as ex South Africans being vigilant should come natural, and I think in NZ vigilance will stay with us for quite a while.
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Re: I wish I knew
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2009, 02:03:21 PM »
I've been to that site before and I think I also mentioned it somewhere in a post over here, but to me those guys are way off base.  They seem to complain about things as if NZ really owes them something.  I also think birds of a feather flock together and that site seems to be unbalanced and tilts towards the very negatives.  Some of the complaints really border on the insane...

As for NZ - we have not been there yet so maybe I should talk the talk and walk the walk - but I seriously am looking forward to walking the walk on all the beaches and parks!   ::)  I know for a fact that there are going to be a lot of things that we might not like, but my wife and I promised ourselves to always be positive on that side, even in difficult times - as this is the choice we made and we are going to stick to it!  We plan to adapt and adjust to the kiwi culture and as long as you have that attitude things will look up!

Having said all that  -- my nerves are shot now that we are only three weeks away from flying over - so the old "doubt" devil does play with you a bit.  I think once we get on the plane we can finally look forward to our life - without any doubts
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Re: I wish I knew
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2009, 04:28:20 PM »
Troy and I went on an LSD trip in 1999 and to be brutally honest I did not think NZ was where I wanted to live for no other reason but that there was not enough industry, Troy was doing factory and plant(machine) mainetenance at the time .
I thought the country was beautifull and we looked around some (4500 km) but my heart was set on Brisbane in Aus. I am still not 100% sure that I am going to love it but we have alot of family there and none in AUS.
Another great concern for me was the behaviour of the teenagers and thier lack of respect at school level and I had heard alot about the bulling at the high schools this still concerns me alot as my daughter is very quiet and studious and keeps to her self which makes for a prime target.
(so I will be very involved at the school ) the drug scene also scares me as my NZ born cousin had a hard time with drug abuse and was in alot of trouble at one stage of his life.
This of course has prompted me to want to live in the smaller towns and to keep out of the cities.
I have been to the above mentioned site and reading througe alot of them got me real uptight but soon a pattern appeared and as has been mentioned it is mostly by 1st worlders that seem to be griping about the inane. I did make a point in looking for SA posts but there are not much. I know that this move is going to be hard on us and a hell of a challenge but I will give it my best and If it doesn't work out well I will cross that bridge if and when i get to it.
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Re: I wish I knew
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2009, 10:04:20 PM »
For me Frodo and Maya have hit the nail on the head. The folks on ExEx come from countries like UK and may even have been used to better than what we have here in NZ. Many folks foregt that you can't compare NZ to most countries as we are a tiny island out in the sticks when compared to the geographic location of other countries, so things simply HAVE to work different here because of it.

It took me a while to figure out why we have such huge specials here : most things are imported. Importing is usually done by the container load. It takes around 8 weeks to ship a container load to NZ. So if Mitre 10 wants to sell garden chairs this summer, they need to bring in a container load at a time AND sell that whole container. If they sell that container load in two weeks after arriving they can't quickly order another because by the time it gets here the summer is almost over and folks are thinking about buying heaters already.

On the other hand, if they don't sell everything then they are going to sit with dead stock in their warehouses for a year so they need to get rid of it quickly. Another scenario is when the next container load is arriving and they haven't sold everything from the first. That is when we get all these yummy sales. You can almost time the sales by the time it takes a container to get here.

The guys from US or UK and even us are not used to the fact that sometimes things just aren't available because the container hasn't arrived yet, ex. at this point in time you can forget about buying a bbq at The Warehouse, there just aren't any. You can buy any type of heater you want though...

There are lots of little factors like this which are different here and many people are not prepared to adapt to that.

The problem I have with ExEx is that it was started by folks that wanna leave so they will do anything to convince folks that they are right and NZ is rubbish. Although at SA Going To NZ we are doing the opposite, I don't think we do a bad job of highlighting the bad along with the good.

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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2009, 01:08:35 AM »
An interesting thread.
My husband, two young kids and I have been here almost a year and, like any place in the world, it has its good and bad points. I think one of the most important factors for Saffers is safety. Good points include that it is relatively safe. I say relatively because a crime-free place does not exist anywhere. Houses are burgled, cars are stolen, there is plenty of vandalism and tagging (graffiti). There appears to be gang problems (shootings) in major cities. Most of the crime, however, is not violent and is committed by miscreant youths, including boy racers (youngsters who like to drive their cars extremely fast and *** everyone off). But compared to SA the crime is negligible. For example, in Ashburton where I live on the South Island, the last murder was 10 years ago (I should mention as well that the police have not yet solved that crime) :2funny:

You can go out into the country for walks, you can go to parks, remote beaches, you can do anything, actually, and not feel threatened, worried or nervous :). There is a sense of freedom here that you do not have in SA. You also feel secure in your own home. I am sitting here typing in the middle of the day. The front door and the patio doors are wide open. My garage is wide open, the front gate is wide open. In fact most houses don't even have proper fencing at the front of their houses, nor gates. I allow my 7-year-old daughter to walk up the road to her friend by herself. No worries ...

On the downside, my husband, who is a conservationist, finds the countryside extremely depressing. Farming is very intensive and nothing like in SA. Every square inch of land is cultivated or has sheep and cattle. There is hardly any wildlife (only one mammal - a bat). Birdlife is under threat and there are mostly introduced birds (from the UK). Where we are (Canterbury Plains) the landscape is flat and uninteresting. However, there are also some really beautiful areas. Marlborough Sounds is stunning and we saw dolphins, penguins, sea birds and seals and a pod of orca moved to the area the day we left. There are fantastic hiking and cycling areas all around the country.

Another thing that I have noticed amongst South Africans here is that they are so much less stressed than in SA. The government here is efficient, everything is well run, clean and corruption is virtually non-existent. However, it is expensive to live here. Rents start at about $300 a week and salaries are not particularly high. But good news is, I see Nolan has mentioned it, they have fantastic sales and you really have to hold yourself back from going out and splurging.

There are lots of other points I could mention, but before I bore you all to death I will say cheerio for now ....

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Re: I wish I knew
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2009, 01:22:13 AM »
If I can just say ...

If you do not have work yet ... good luck in finding a job.  :clap:

If you do find a job in the first 3 months good luck on passing you medical straight away without it being referred. ( This could take 6 weeks to be approved ) Some companies may withdraw their job offer if this happens ... :confused:

If you don't get a job in the first three months  good luck in getting your visitors visa extended...this may take some time to be reviewed with Immigration and may become difficult to motivate in this economic climate.  :coffee:

If you lucky enough to get a job but waiting to pass your medical , don't send your container in the hope that your permit will be approved on time.  :uglystupid2:
 
If you get a temp work permit ... don't send your container ... you can't get you goods without paying GST and Import Duty on a temp work permit.  :idiot2:

If you have been employed and given a work permit ( 3 years I think ) , you must know you job is not always secured ( as with any job I suppose) and there are no such thing here as retrenchment packages to get you through..., you are made redundant with one month's salary ( IF you have PR by then lucky you , you go on benefits  ;)) and it could happen at anytime, and since your work permit will be linked to your job...you will be back on a visitors permit, and go through the entire process again , hopefully your medical may still be valid... ::)

Oooo yes medical treatment is NOT FREE, to the contrary what you may have been told or understood from your research...  :tickedoff:

When I got my job in Jan , I was told by more than one Kiwi, how lucky I should consider myself as migrants come to steel, another Kiwi's job, despite that fact that we did the same assessment and past the same test... I had an open work permit.

I wonder how many South-Africans are currently here and experiencing the following:  ???

1 - Been here for more then 2 months and still no job ?  :smart:
2- Had a job offer, but their medicals took to long to be approved and they lost their job offer?  :sweat:

An interesting website ...and yet again from NZ and global point of view:
http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/your-views/2009/7/16/should-employers-have-recruit-nz-looking-overseas/?c_id=1501154

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Re: I wish I knew
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Re: I wish I knew
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2009, 03:07:22 AM »
My my so much negativity  :uglystupid2:   Would anybody like to borrow a gun  :twoguns:

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Re: I wish I knew
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2009, 03:29:57 AM »
KD - Excellent comments!

Couldn't have put it in better words myself.

Emmerentia - I'm saddened by your negativity of New Zealand and really hope that you don't return to SA bad mouthing NZ in general.

Each of us have our own reasons and circumstances for what we do or say.

Yes, New Zealand is battling in the present economic climate as well.  No one has ever been promised a job here in NZ on their arrival unless they have a job offer with a company already.  There have been plenty warnings on this forum to people NOT to come here on Visitors Visas to look for jobs right now as they aren't available.  Not for Immigrants or Kiwi's alike!  It's tough out there right now and that's not just in NZ - it's worldwide.  Not fair to pick on NZ like that.

This country owes us immigrants absolutely nothing.  We even owe them for accepting us into their wonderful country.

Your comment on retrenchments - it happens anywhere in the world.  People on work permits can be retrenched. 
 

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Re: I wish I knew
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2009, 03:32:06 AM »
well said mandyh  :clap:



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