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Offline ronaldd

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Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« on: September 06, 2009, 10:29:24 PM »
Ok,  sorry to those who find it a negative post(it is not,  just trust me on this one), but I think it is important to list them to ensure that those who plan to come over, have clear items which they need to deal with before coming over.  Those who are already over need to read it to blow away the blues.

What this topic is:
This is all about what would want you to go back to SA.
What this topic is not:
What the reasons are for NOT going back to SA.

So .. list your items which you think(i will add them to the list at top) will cause people to go back to SA.  We can rate them on another thread and them order them

Original List
1. Money,  having more bang for your buck in SA, you get more money in NZ but can buy less.
2. Weather,  if you came from a place like Johannesburg and went to a place like wellington,  you might not be used to the wind and rain.
3. Family, not having your brothers and sisters around could be a strong "trek pleister" which will cause you to go back.
4. Culture, not getting used to the "kiwi way" and believing the "SA way" is better.
5. Friends, missing your old mates.
6. Work, missing your old job.
7. House/car, missing your old house / car.
... over to you

Updated list
1. Money, having more bang for your buck in SA, you get more money in NZ but can buy less.
2. Weather/Accommodation, if you came from a place like Johannesburg and went to a place like wellington,  you might not be used to the wind and rain.  You are also in a wooden(wendy) house as opposed to a brick house. Combining those factors,  feel more exposed to the elements.
3. Family, not having your brothers and sisters around could be a strong "trek pleister" which will cause you to go back.
4. Culture, not getting used to the "kiwi way" and believing the "SA way" is better.
5. Friends, missing your old mates.
6. Work, missing your old job.
7. House/car, missing your old house / car.
8. Domestic help, lack there of.
9. Skill/Experience . You are at a lower level than what you were at in SA in terms of what you are asked to do, and the level you are employed at.. basically taking a step back.
10. Migration budgeting.  LSD becomes cost prohibitive and people return because of lack of funding.
11. Earthquakes. more explanation than that .. would be  saying to much.
12. Second class citizen,  never being part of the people here and always being seen as an outsider.  Being second in line for jobs and other work related items.
13. Not accepting that this is their country and they dont really need south africans, they can do with anyone.  Not feeling needed.
14. One of the partners cant settle in NZ and wants to go back.
... Over to you


I SAY AGAIN... This is NOT what you think about why it DOES NOT bother YOU.  it is about what you think will bother yourself and others and might cause them to go back to SA.

Once we have listed what the factors are for people wanting to go back,  and we rate them accordingly,  one can assess your own situation in a more objective manner and see which of those need to be fixed.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2009, 10:09:38 AM by ronaldd »
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Re: Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2009, 05:42:45 AM »
Another reason that have caused people to go back (however unbelievable)

 * Not coping without a domestic worker / char / gardener etc.  Prospective immigrants need to understand that here we do everything ourselves

Can't think of anything else tho!
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Re: Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2009, 06:30:31 AM »
Technical skill level of your SA job vrs NZ job
Dignity/Status of old SA job vrs NZ job

Offline Jannee

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Re: Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2009, 08:38:02 AM »
Those who aren't on the skills list and think they will get a job and don't come out with enough money to last them;  eventually they can't get a work permit and run out of money.  No choice often but to go back.

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Re: Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2009, 09:06:53 AM »
I think career opportunities may cause people to return to SA.  You have to take a step back, a salary cut and always be second best at work.  Sometimes frustrating and when combined with other factors could definately cause you to go back to SA.



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Re: Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2009, 09:23:37 AM »
The weather and *** houses!
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Re: Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2009, 09:46:48 AM »
Schalk,  i added the housing to point 2, is that what you meant?
El and Expat.  I combined a bit and placed it on point 9.
El,  i added a migration budgeting item at point 10
Malindy,  the domestic help , reworded a little on point 8,  we all know what thats like,  especially after a weekend of moving, hey schalk?
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Re: Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2009, 10:19:37 AM »
Ron in essence you probably summed it up, but what I meant was the weather sometimes gets you down - especially if you arrive smack bang in the middle of winter and suddenly find yourself in a wooden tent without heating!  It does not matter if you were used to bad weather - it still gets you down.  I am quite used to the Cape of Storms and grew up in the Windy City (Port Elizabeth) - but this place still got to me in the first couple of days.  It is very different kind of weather that actually makes you depressed!

Oh and I forgot earthquakes - that can quickly chase you back to SA!!  :sweat:
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Re: Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2009, 10:35:33 AM »
All in all..... Immigration is not for sissies  :heeha: . Make very sure you wanna leave SA and come here, it's not all "maanskyn en rose nie" ....  :2funny: . C-ya, SAKB.
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Re: Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2009, 10:37:48 AM »
 O0 SAKB!!
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Re: Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2009, 11:45:17 AM »
Anyone come across Anti SA feelings - like you dont belong here and are taking a Kiwi's job?  There's also that to contend with - in SA you just "FIT"
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Re: Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2009, 11:54:25 AM »
Thanks everybody this is GREAT one, sceary for us still in SA but realistic! would love to see the responses

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Re: Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2009, 07:31:29 PM »
The immigration status - I've spoken to many families that's been here for 15+ years.  Many of them said the same thing - they still feel like immigrants, even if they have Kiwi kids (born here) - and most of them landed with PR...
Don't know how you are going to sum that one up, Ronaldd... :whistle:
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Re: Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2009, 08:10:21 PM »
We have been here 4 months now and we have never had the feeling that we are unwelcome here. In fact, we have been welcomed into Kiwi homes for lunch, tea, etc.

All the Kiwis have been very friendly towards us and made us feel at "home".  :clap: :clap:



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Re: Who is likely to return and for what reasons
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2009, 08:44:44 PM »
Just to clarify... 2 different points here...

i) The way we are treated as immigrants (addywad's point)

ii)The "immigration status" is more of a personal (cultural diff's, familiarity, lack of personal history in NZ) issue

Hope this clarifies the points
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