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Offline alwyn

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Linux oh how we love you :)
« on: January 19, 2010, 04:40:14 pm »
After a long time thinking about this I've come to the conclusion that we have too many monkeys writing software.  People who never should have touched an IDE, and in a sense I feel sad for them because they unwittingly have ruined their lives in following a career not destined for them (as I feel I've gone wrong somewhere myself).

Yes I hear good things about Visual Studio (superficial things, but good), and I know good things about Eclipse and the apple of my eye Vim.  My reasons for preferring Eclipse is the reason why I choose open source, Linux and to a lesser degree Mac OS X.  Visual Studio to me is like training for a pilot and they give you this plane with a take off and land button and beyond that you don't need to do a thing. 

I like to have freedom to do anything I want in any conceivable way I want (must not be due to my schooling :)) and that's what my tools allow me to do and they do it by giving me a base of exceptional quality to build on and staying out of my way the rest of the time so that I can practice the stuff I'm really good at.

Imho most microsoft software has a lot of features but suffer from quality issues, and these quality issues can be directly linked to how the software is developed.  Any tool that allows a person who do not know what he is doing to practice a skill he doesn't possess, can only result in problems.

That said I have been indifferent for the last 8 years, to each his own, but if there is somebody up there, "Please don't force me to work with these people again!!!!!!!!!!"

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Re: Microsoft oh how we love you :)
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 07:24:13 pm »
Eclipse has alot of features VS have.

Eclipse folk who rave about it,  i feel,  is now exclusive to linux.

Its like having fancy Mercedes for a long time and thinking its the best ever car built. Then moving to a farm and being forced to trade your mercedes in for the best 4x4 your money can buy,  then raving about how great the 4x4 is.  The Mercedes isnt made for the farm and will run with great effort but it just isnt the right tool for the environment that you are in. Because there are no real option to drive the mercedes,  you rave about the 4x4.

Folks who program in .NET could use Eclipse as an IDE.  They have that option if they work on Windows.

What i write alot these days is Word 2007 Add-ins which are full fledged vb.net applications that sits inside word.  So,  when i press the debug button,  it starts up with with my just compiled pluggin.  I step through the code of my application while i do changes in word (much like a vba app). When i close word like a user would, my application closes and debug ends.   What really blows my hair back is the integrated type development you do on VB2008.  Writing a service used to be painfull until i found the option to attach to a process.  So i have a service that is running on a machine,  then i attach to a process on that service and put a break point in my IDE.  When the compiled service hits that breakpoint,  I start debugging.  So this is great if you have a service running on your test environment while people are testing andyou want to see what the hell is happening without stopping the service.  Unfortunately I would not be able to change the code on the fly without stopping the service.  Imagine how cool that would be though.  You can change code (as you can with eclipse) during debug mode.
Because 2010 was written using WPF,  you can get a plugin that allows you to put images inside your code like you could with a word document.  So,  you could actually have design specs in your code like you would have comments to explain what the code does.  All gets saved as resources in your code.

what i dont like about the MS way is the code repository options.  Like visual source safe.  Only reason i dont like it is that i used a better product once.  I used to program in forté a few years ago.  Checking out code and such things were usefull.  Source safe just complicates the concept.  Team editions of the MS product is apparently great.
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Re: Microsoft oh how we love you :)
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 07:24:13 pm »

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Re: Linux oh how we love you :)
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2010, 09:15:59 pm »
 :confused: huh? ke?
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Re: Linux oh how we love you :)
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2010, 04:19:11 am »
ditto marcia  ;D
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Re: Linux oh how we love you :)
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2010, 05:28:28 am »
Huh what ???? Could you guys please speak English. :2funny: :2funny:

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Re: Linux oh how we love you :)
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2010, 06:01:50 am »
I was only joking about starting your own topic on this  :2funny: ag nee julle regtig waar  :2funny: but enjoy!


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Re: Linux oh how we love you :)
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2010, 06:09:12 am »
Huh what ???? Could you guys please speak English. :2funny: :2funny:
No they can't they are speaking code.... :2funny:
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Re: Linux oh how we love you :)
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2010, 06:29:35 am »
Well,  you know what they say,  there are 10 kinds of people in the world.
Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
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Re: Linux oh how we love you :)
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2010, 09:06:30 am »
Well,  you know what they say,  there are 10 kinds of people in the world.
Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
:2funny:  :2funny:  :2funny:

I literally have the thinkgeek T-shirt that says that   >:D

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Re: Linux oh how we love you :)
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2010, 12:31:54 pm »
agreed, Open Source is definately the way to go and too many monkey that think they can program, especially when it comes to web design - the amount of guys that are just clueless and willing to work for nothing drive me up the wall, just not as much as the customers that are happy to pay peanuts for scrap

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Re: Linux oh how we love you :)
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2010, 07:46:14 pm »
:confused: huh? ke?

 :confused:  Eish? Hau? Kaniti??  :idiot2:  English?? Fanagalo? Code??  :uglystupid2:
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2010, 08:53:03 pm »
.... with an ACER under the arm....  :2funny:  :2funny:  Enjoy, SAKB.
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Re: Linux oh how we love you :)
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2010, 08:56:13 pm »
and wondering if the LAMP is better than the WINDOW

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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2010, 10:08:12 pm »
At the moment,  nolan, the penguin is still standing outside.  Just to follow your metafore. There are alot of things on the other side of the window, but it does seperate the inside from the outside.
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Re: Linux oh how we love you :)
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2010, 11:12:01 pm »
Guys,Guys,Guys...Come on now, why on earth would the Linux Chief or whoever he may be, think that MS will ever be outplayed in ANY IT Field. MS (Go Bill) has proved themselves over the years as being the major leader, and will for many years to come. I am not a Developer, but a DBA...I have worked on Oracle before, but there is no chance that Oracle is in any way better than SQL. Granted SQL 6.5, 7 and to a lesser degree 2000 were not up to competing with Oracle, but SQL 2005 and the biggiiieee SQL 2008 :smitten:, is streets better than Oracle. Do you know what, we have a built-in GUI which we use...yes, can you believe it..we don't need to use Toad or whatever add-ons Oracle has. >:D

Right click, properties is the easier way of doing things. Open Source, well, Mark S made name , and a few bucks, for himself and I see he still thinks Open Source will take the market. No chance....

and David Coursey, Microsoft proud themselves on Operating Systems, and other awsome applications, not handhelds...come on. :2funny:

Customers will ALWAYS pay for Microsoft, because it works...93% of Computer users can't be wrong...same as the Old Black Label saying back in SA, 30 million workers can't be wrong by drinking it... :2funny: