Author Topic: Intentional Murder Rates Comparison (Read 821 times)

Savayla · « **on:** January 29, 2010, 12:00:03 PM »

DH just put together some stats that he got from WHO (World Health Organisation ) that were quite impressive. We all know that the murder stats in SA are bad, but these are compared to NZ. These are intentional murders per 100 000 population, in the year 2004.

SA 69 per 100 000 which means 31 050 murders a year

NZ 1.4 per 100 000 which means 56 .

He then went on to figure that your risk of getting murdered in SA is 50 times more higher than in NZ

Hill · « **Reply #1 on:** January 29, 2010, 01:53:27 PM »

That's why I am here. The scary thing is the amount of solved murders.

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fari · « **Reply #2 on:** January 29, 2010, 08:21:15 PM »

The great thing is that most if not all of NZ crimes are solved within days. Have any of you recently seen the unsolved cases SA carries?its shocking!!

Smallfly · « **Reply #3 on:** January 29, 2010, 09:13:33 PM »

Quote from: Savayla on January 29, 2010, 12:00:03 PM

SA 69 per 100 000 which means 31 050 murders a year

Something does not add up here,

I remember while still being in sa there was an anouncement made by the police that 1,3 million murders where filed away as "undetectable" and will not be investigated further due to lack of evidince and or leads.

At only 31 050 p/a, this will take more than 40 years to accumilate, and that is not counting the solved cases.

fari · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2010, 09:49:51 PM »

I think this may help.... but its less than those stats.

But these are the reported one's...

fari · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2010, 10:01:40 PM »

This is BAD!!!!!!!!! we ranked 2nd in the world....
Rank     Countries     Amount
# 1     Colombia:    0.617847 per 1,000 people
# 2     South Africa:    0.496008 per 1,000 people
# 3     Jamaica:    0.324196 per 1,000 people
# 4     Venezuela:    0.316138 per 1,000 people
# 5     Russia:    0.201534 per 1,000 people
# 6     Mexico:    0.130213 per 1,000 people
# 7     Estonia:    0.107277 per 1,000 people
# 8     Latvia:    0.10393 per 1,000 people
# 9     Lithuania:    0.102863 per 1,000 people
# 10     Belarus:    0.0983495 per 1,000 people
# 11     Ukraine:    0.094006 per 1,000 people
# 12     Papua New Guinea:    0.0838593 per 1,000 people
# 13     Kyrgyzstan:    0.0802565 per 1,000 people
# 14     Thailand:    0.0800798 per 1,000 people
# 15     Moldova:    0.0781145 per 1,000 people
# 16     Zimbabwe:    0.0749938 per 1,000 people
# 17     Seychelles:    0.0739025 per 1,000 people
# 18     Zambia:    0.070769 per 1,000 people
# 19     Costa Rica:    0.061006 per 1,000 people
# 20     Poland:    0.0562789 per 1,000 people
# 21     Georgia:    0.0511011 per 1,000 people
# 22     Uruguay:    0.045082 per 1,000 people
# 23     Bulgaria:    0.0445638 per 1,000 people
# 24     United States:    0.042802 per 1,000 people
# 25     Armenia:    0.0425746 per 1,000 people
# 26     India:    0.0344083 per 1,000 people
# 27     Yemen:    0.0336276 per 1,000 people
# 28     Dominica:    0.0289733 per 1,000 people
# 29     Azerbaijan:    0.0285642 per 1,000 people
# 30     Finland:    0.0283362 per 1,000 people
# 31     Slovakia:    0.0263303 per 1,000 people
# 32     Romania:    0.0250784 per 1,000 people
# 33     Portugal:    0.0233769 per 1,000 people
# 34     Malaysia:    0.0230034 per 1,000 people
# 35     Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of:    0.0229829 per 1,000 people
# 36     Mauritius:    0.021121 per 1,000 people
# 37     Hungary:    0.0204857 per 1,000 people
# 38     Korea, South:    0.0196336 per 1,000 people
# 39     Slovenia:    0.0179015 per 1,000 people
# 40     France:    0.0173272 per 1,000 people
# 41     Czech Republic:    0.0169905 per 1,000 people
# 42     Iceland:    0.0168499 per 1,000 people
# 43     Australia:    0.0150324 per 1,000 people
# 44     Canada:    0.0149063 per 1,000 people
# 45     Chile:    0.014705 per 1,000 people
# 46     United Kingdom:    0.0140633 per 1,000 people
# 47     Italy:    0.0128393 per 1,000 people
# 48     Spain:    0.0122456 per 1,000 people
# 49     Germany:    0.0116461 per 1,000 people
# 50     Tunisia:    0.0112159 per 1,000 people
# 51     Netherlands:    0.0111538 per 1,000 people
# 52     New Zealand:    0.0111524 per 1,000 people
# 53     Denmark:    0.0106775 per 1,000 people
# 54     Norway:    0.0106684 per 1,000 people
# 55     Ireland:    0.00946215 per 1,000 people
# 56     Switzerland:    0.00921351 per 1,000 people
# 57     Indonesia:    0.00910842 per 1,000 people
# 58     Greece:    0.0075928 per 1,000 people
# 59     Hong Kong:    0.00550804 per 1,000 people
# 60     Japan:    0.00499933 per 1,000 people
# 61     Saudi Arabia:    0.00397456 per 1,000 people
# 62     Qatar:    0.00115868 per 1,000 people
   Weighted average:    0.1 per 1,000 people

Hill · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2010, 11:25:49 PM »

No we are not, we are number 52

Quote from: fari on January 29, 2010, 10:01:40 PM

This is BAD!!!!!!!!! we ranked 2nd in the world....
Rank     Countries     Amount
# 1     Colombia:    0.617847 per 1,000 people
# 2     South Africa:    0.496008 per 1,000 people
# 3     Jamaica:    0.324196 per 1,000 people
# 4     Venezuela:    0.316138 per 1,000 people
# 5     Russia:    0.201534 per 1,000 people
# 6     Mexico:    0.130213 per 1,000 people
# 7     Estonia:    0.107277 per 1,000 people
# 8     Latvia:    0.10393 per 1,000 people
# 9     Lithuania:    0.102863 per 1,000 people
# 10     Belarus:    0.0983495 per 1,000 people
# 11     Ukraine:    0.094006 per 1,000 people
# 12     Papua New Guinea:    0.0838593 per 1,000 people
# 13     Kyrgyzstan:    0.0802565 per 1,000 people
# 14     Thailand:    0.0800798 per 1,000 people
# 15     Moldova:    0.0781145 per 1,000 people
# 16     Zimbabwe:    0.0749938 per 1,000 people
# 17     Seychelles:    0.0739025 per 1,000 people
# 18     Zambia:    0.070769 per 1,000 people
# 19     Costa Rica:    0.061006 per 1,000 people
# 20     Poland:    0.0562789 per 1,000 people
# 21     Georgia:    0.0511011 per 1,000 people
# 22     Uruguay:    0.045082 per 1,000 people
# 23     Bulgaria:    0.0445638 per 1,000 people
# 24     United States:    0.042802 per 1,000 people
# 25     Armenia:    0.0425746 per 1,000 people
# 26     India:    0.0344083 per 1,000 people
# 27     Yemen:    0.0336276 per 1,000 people
# 28     Dominica:    0.0289733 per 1,000 people
# 29     Azerbaijan:    0.0285642 per 1,000 people
# 30     Finland:    0.0283362 per 1,000 people
# 31     Slovakia:    0.0263303 per 1,000 people
# 32     Romania:    0.0250784 per 1,000 people
# 33     Portugal:    0.0233769 per 1,000 people
# 34     Malaysia:    0.0230034 per 1,000 people
# 35     Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of:    0.0229829 per 1,000 people
# 36     Mauritius:    0.021121 per 1,000 people
# 37     Hungary:    0.0204857 per 1,000 people
# 38     Korea, South:    0.0196336 per 1,000 people
# 39     Slovenia:    0.0179015 per 1,000 people
# 40     France:    0.0173272 per 1,000 people
# 41     Czech Republic:    0.0169905 per 1,000 people
# 42     Iceland:    0.0168499 per 1,000 people
# 43     Australia:    0.0150324 per 1,000 people
# 44     Canada:    0.0149063 per 1,000 people
# 45     Chile:    0.014705 per 1,000 people
# 46     United Kingdom:    0.0140633 per 1,000 people
# 47     Italy:    0.0128393 per 1,000 people
# 48     Spain:    0.0122456 per 1,000 people
# 49     Germany:    0.0116461 per 1,000 people
# 50     Tunisia:    0.0112159 per 1,000 people
# 51     Netherlands:    0.0111538 per 1,000 people
# 52     New Zealand:    0.0111524 per 1,000 people
# 53     Denmark:    0.0106775 per 1,000 people
# 54     Norway:    0.0106684 per 1,000 people
# 55     Ireland:    0.00946215 per 1,000 people
# 56     Switzerland:    0.00921351 per 1,000 people
# 57     Indonesia:    0.00910842 per 1,000 people
# 58     Greece:    0.0075928 per 1,000 people
# 59     Hong Kong:    0.00550804 per 1,000 people
# 60     Japan:    0.00499933 per 1,000 people
# 61     Saudi Arabia:    0.00397456 per 1,000 people
# 62     Qatar:    0.00115868 per 1,000 people
   Weighted average:    0.1 per 1,000 people

SA Going to NZ Advice Forum · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2010, 11:25:49 PM »

ronaldd · « **Reply #7 on:** January 30, 2010, 12:20:49 AM »

i was about to say that. They are ranked 2nd, we are ranked 52nd

fari · « **Reply #8 on:** January 30, 2010, 06:01:16 AM »

Hahaha my appologies.... WHAT was i thinking?

WE are ranked 52nd!!!

SaKiwiBoer · « **Reply #9 on:** January 30, 2010, 06:28:47 PM »

2 Against 52 =

Is there any comparison between the 2 countries???
IMHO, no. You can't compare them. APUM2cW, Cheers, SAKB

Nolan · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2010, 11:18:02 AM »

Fari I also suspect that your graph comes from the SAPS, which means that it has been heavily doctored

fari · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2010, 03:12:57 PM »

Quote from: Nolan on February 02, 2010, 11:18:02 AM

Fari I also suspect that your graph comes from the SAPS, which means that it has been heavily doctored

Hahaha nope it was done by an independent assoc in USA I think...

SA Going to NZ Advice Forum · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2010, 03:12:57 PM »

SaKiwiBoer · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2010, 07:11:03 PM »

fari - Sorry mate, I have to agree with Nolan. The figures mentioned sounds about like the figures released to the public by the SAPS because if I look at the figures between 2005 and 2007, the time we decided to leave and the time we actually left I was heavily into the figures and these sound a bit like the ones I got hold of aswell. APUM2cW. Cheers, SAKB.

Rockhopper · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2010, 09:40:16 PM »

It's not about the figures for me. As the "stats" show (cooked or not) there is murders all over - one murder per year is too many.

For me it is about the way those murders happen (real hate crimes - mutilation/suffering etc), the way we have come accustomed to witnessing those murders, and the way the police handle those cases ("suspects still at large", corruption).

Just an example - on Sunday morning, a Taxi driver was stabbed to death in Auckland. This is totally random, because how many people ride in taxis. Understandably they have not caught anyone yet, but I think back in SA this case would be "written off" as a cold case possibly. Below is an extract from this mornings Herald:

Quote

Additional officers will join the team of 40 to trawl through hours of CCTV footage from the central city where 39-year-old Mr Mohini made his final pick-up, and staff are going door-to-door.

"Every call we receive is important to us, every inquiry we make is a breakthrough," Mr Jones said.

"The community and the nation want to see the person or persons responsible for this frenzied attack held to account for this murder."

Police are looking for a slim man, about 1.75m tall with long, greasy hair in a wavy style swept back from the forehead.

Now don't get me wrong - I have absolute sympathy for the SA police force, but "Extra police handling the case, community and nation wanting to see this case solved, even government looking into how to make Taxi's safer for the drivers"?? You see, after 6 months on little old Godzone, it is the "little" things (like caring) that make me appreciate the fact that I can once again care about other people and not just look out for my own! You find yourself actually being distressed and your heart goes out to that family of the taxi driver (whom I don't know from a bar of soap). Six months ago and back in SA, I would just sit there, emotionless, and say "just another statistic".

SaKiwiBoer · « **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2010, 10:09:11 PM »

So true Schalk.
Also in the Herald this morning - "Man Stabbed in Boy Racer Row". Guess what is the last sentence in the small article?? "One man was arrested last night over the incident." The funny thing is the guy also got stabbed last night and a suspect was arrested last night. In SA this wouldn't even have made the papers, never mind a small article on the front page of the NZ Herald. APUM2cW. Cheers, SAKB.

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