Cant live here any longer

[tmprince]

Well I am pleased to note that I was brought up with manners so until provoked I am always polite and accomadating but boy oh boy be rude or insulting or derogatory or involve my kids and you will get it BIG TIME.

when reading Robs post I was wondering a , what was said to cause the arrogance? b, was it arrogance or was it a Kiwi pushing the "South African" racilist card? because fundementaly South Africans have very good manners and we are brought up in a society that does not complain about service (don't want to cause a scene) so I beg to differ I am still in SA with all the stress and stuff on my doorstep and don't believe that SAenrs have a personality change on the plane over there.
And before everyone goes beserk yes I have been to NZ and I have plenty family over there so I know how some KIwis try to push buttons.
And most of us applied to immigrate on the SMC so are technically not refugees but skilled workers that NZ needs. You don't call Kiwis getting there OSE in other countries refugees why would you call us that?

[SaKiwiBoer]

What "moral" problems make a child murder or injury less savage in NZ.
 
Any person who hurt or kills a child/baby is a savage - there are no degrees of savagery - is it less savage to hit a child to the point of almost dying or to put a child in a tumble drier or hang her from a washing line and eventually cause death?

Lets not beat about the bush - there are a lot of what you refer to as savages in this country - it manifest itself in the almost weekly report of another child/baby beating or death.

There is no degree of savagery or justification for hurting a child which makes it "different" here - all these instances should be condemned with equal vigor.

Mertz - To me the difference is "pleasure". Some "people" gets "pleasure" out of hurting somebody or something else. Some "people" hurt somebody else or something else to get rid of frustrations or whatever reason but not for pleasure. In SA it is the "pleasure" factor that gets to me. If you understand what I mean....  , cheers, SAKB.

[SaKiwiBoer]

As you well know I stay in Rotorua (cultural heartland of Aotearoa). I see "these" "people" on a daily basis. This was done by idiots!!! No "pleasure" in this. MHO SAKB

[SaKiwiBoer]

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Cheese and enjoy, SAKB

[robcraignz]

Mertz, it's not necessary to create a new topic for replies etc. I was trying to get a point across that we Saffers need to mind our manners and expect things the Kiwi way, not ours. 
No tmprince there was no race card or other nasties flung by the Kiwis, in each case it has been saffer rudeness!
I am with a newspaper group and have the names, phone numbers and addresses of the offending Saffers. It could be the easiest thing ever to run stories and name and shame. Again, never the intention. I have sked the Kiwis in each case to take the path of no resistance. I am trying to soothe the waters from both sides. I am fully aware of the emotional baggage we as HESA's bring with us. But that baggage should not be off loaded on others, Kiwis or anyone else. That is our cross to bear, let's bare it with dignity.   
I even siggested to the affected Kiwis, that I would put out yesterday's post, to try and alleviate the pressures. Kiwis are not as brash, aggressive or forceful as us Saffers (Wife and I get frustrated with that / their approach every day), but we do need to realise we are dealing with different types of people, with different upbringing, far less aggressive approaches to things, not as gungho in their quest for top spots etc, AND in their country. I have often said at Chamber, that my decisions are made from an African cultural base, that needs to change, as when I make decisions regarding the Kiwi business sector, it needs to be with their culture in mind, not mine. I just wanted to get those sorts of points across, not make accusations. Rather highlight differences and be aware of who / where we are and try to fit into their lifestyle and cultures, not force ours! If I wanted to, I could advise the Kiwis to take it further with name and shame etc, neither they, nor I want that. if I metioned the details of yesterday's affront, it would hurt both parties, again, not serving anyone's interests. So, don't really want to spend any more time on this, another topic heading is not necessary, unless someone else (definitely not me) wants to follow that. Sorry that this is off topic - Mertz, I think it's really important for us Saffers to properly integrate into NZ life! In this regard, Yoda has spoken and moved on. Please just treat these people with the courtesy and manners they deserve, and the ones most of us were raised with. 

[magusta]

This attitude is not going to going to stand you in good stead in NZ. You must know your place ( you do not have that mythical quality referred to as "kiwi experience") , do not speak your mind ( backstabbing is the preferred way to go ), do not be confident, driven and decisive since this is perceived as arrogance, obnoxious and rude in a work environment where procrastination, endless consultation with every man and his dog and the tall poppy sindrome  is the order of the day.

This is why I'm failing here. I detest procrastination & tardiness. The "she'll be right" grates on my nerves. Have I mentioned the 'suicide season' (winter) is starting, not helping my mood. bah humbug

[Clarikdeens]

Rob, what you have just posted should be read by everyone on the forum. It also had to be said. I think that are still many who have the same sentiments as you have.  Unless we have citizenship we are but pilgrims in a foreign land. Anything rubbed against the grain will aggravate.

[frodo/maya]

I MUST ad my 2c 

I have a friend that is a nurse in a big hospital. She was treating an old lady and this old lady did not know that she is a saner. After the treatment the old lady told her that she is sooooo thankful that an saner did not treat her because "they are so impatient, arrogant and rued" my friend told her that she is a saner and the old lady apologized to which my friend indicated that SHE is sorry for the rest of the saners that are perceived as rued and arrogant.  She said that she felt so embarrassed 

This is sad for me because bad behavior of the fortunate ones being there already could have a huge negative impact on the ones that want to leave SA and employers might think twice before considering a Saner for a position.  Hope this is not the case when we arrive -

[LoveNZ]

don't let me start with the behaviour of Saffers at Eden Park a week or 4 ago.

[LoveNZ]

not worth it buddy.

[LoveNZ]

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[Rockhopper]

Please start Hannes please, please, pretty please! O shucks, I forgot, you only share "negatives" with your OH and not here. A special for not starting then.

It took me some time to get perspective, but boy, it is precisely because of comments like this that I have decided to leave this forum.  It has become extremely unpleasant to be constantly "slapped" in the face with rude and negative remarks and then be given some kind of emoticon "hug" supposedly to make things right. 

Unfortunately the forum's personality has changed and I do feel "unwelcome" here just because of my positive attitude and non-seniority as opposed to a certain "Blertz" that have been living here supposedly since James Cook arrived  and for whatever reason he still hates it here!!! 

In my 8 months living here, I learned one thing -- The kiwi's like to complain about arbitrary things!!  It seems like the longer you stay here, the more you become like the kiwi's!!  I for one can not honestly comment negatively on this blessed country.  It has it's drawbacks, there is negative things, but, so has every other country.  We all know what the French are like - but do you complain about the French when you live in Paris?? I knew before I came here that the kiwi's possess a "she'll be allright" attitude and are laid back.  I accepted that before I came here - so it does not bother me. 

Like my dad always used to say "I don't have issues with myself, so I don't have issues with other people!!"

It has been a wonderful ride!!  I would like to thank each and every one on this forum who assisted us through our journey.  We made some wonderful friends and I will keep contact with all of you through other media.

To all the rest still applying - keep going and hold on to the dream - yours will come true if you persevere - and when you land here - remember what you sacrificed and enjoy every minute of your new journey!

Like the song of the old 80's "circus" drama:  Wish me luck as you wave me goodbye!  Cheerio, here I go, on my way!

[SaKiwiBoer]

Schalk - Sad to see you go, buddy, but I know how you feel, some idiots ....       but I suppose the world are like that.  , cheers, SAKB. 

[Nolan]

I have no idea how this thread has morphed from "wish me luck with my PR" to a mud slinging contest, but I am very disappointed that it has.

The sad reality is that there ARE bad things happening in SA AND in NZ, but we all agree that the things happening in SA are far worse than here, it doesn't make either of them right or better, they are all wrong.

There ARE a bunch of Saffers out there that are arrogant and making life difficult for us and giving us a bad name, it is up to each of us to prove our critics wrong - I certainly hope that there are none of us here that can be accused of being arrogant and aggresive by our host nation. If you are, then go back to South Africa, we don't want you here. We have said this many times before here, despite the fact that we have a lot to offer, we owe the Kiwis our lives, and we need to act like it.

From day one I have ensured that ALL the info required to make an unbiased and educated decision about emigration to NZ is aired and available here and not just the rosy travel agency views and I'm sure everybody will agree there.

If you don't agree with somebody's point of view, then you are welcome to argue the topic, but sarcasm, belittling of other peoples choices, views or decisions and personal attacks on others are not welcome.