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Offline SusanJ

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Puppet show for the world
« on: June 14, 2010, 12:07:00 am »
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10651733

if only justice for the murdered, abused and traumatised in SA was this swift and the penalties this harsh!
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Re: Puppet show for the world
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2010, 02:14:42 am »
Either they're capable of doing their jobs or they're capable for being very good at putting on a performance to the outside world...

My MIL back in SA told us a couple weeks ago that they'd set up a special "court" of some kind to specifically deal with WC issues quickly.
So tourists have preference over locals in all matters - including justice and crime solving!
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Its friggin's disgusting, is what it is...
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Offline BeninCPT

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Re: Puppet show for the world
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2010, 06:53:39 am »
And suddenly the world see's a small part of South Africa :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:

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Re: Puppet show for the world
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2010, 08:17:19 am »
why this suddent swift legal system?
how many people's lives could have been saved if this was in place sooner.  How many lives were lost due to slackness of the system.

all this was put in place for a soccer game.  isnt there something wrong if lives are less important when there are no international soccer games or media walking the streets.

I am happy that for these 4 weeks there is significant progress in preventing and convicting criminals from running wild in SA..  Its never to late in my book.  Late would be if it was "never".
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Re: Puppet show for the world
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2010, 08:19:06 am »
I go to checkers and all the cashiers are at their tills and every till has a packer.

I'd rather live in a country where they don't put up a front of Utopia, but where it is reality because it is the 'right' thing.

All these Hollywood stunts will disappear along with the world cup.

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Re: Puppet show for the world
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2010, 08:29:22 am »
I'm so with you Ronald, except that for 4 weeks they'll be preventing the criminals from running riot AROUND TOURISTS! The rest of the population will be no better off in the hijacking/rape/murder stakes than they are now. :(
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Re: Puppet show for the world
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2010, 08:32:45 am »
swift now because they want news reports that say :

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World Cup host South Africa may have a soaring crime rate, but the swiftness with which justice is administered looks to be keeping pace with the tide of offenders.

that is why  :tickedoff:

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Re: Puppet show for the world
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2010, 09:20:06 am »
in other words.
They want to bullsh1t the world into thinking people who complain about crime is over exaggerating.


I dont mind being called on being a liar,  so long as they keep up the policing and security.  hell I might even considre moving back if they keep up the good policing :D (kidding)

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Re: Puppet show for the world
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2010, 10:38:21 am »
Oubaas Schalk ,  I agree matey,  where have we gone as a human race though.

I get rather worked up when I see how people behave.

I have a thought about news and media.  I had to make up my own "quotes" because I think I am the only one that might see it this way.  Not being self important about stuff.. I thought i would share my views , open for criticism.
In the absence of an opinion, the first opinion that you are given,  becomes your opinion.  In other words.. If you were not opinionated about something which you have no idea about,  you are told what to think because you didn't make an effort to find out the details in any case.  Lazy person's truths become the gospel everyone believe.  Lazy truths are those lies you believe because you believe to be true,  because you are to lazy to bother making up your own opinion about a topic or finding out enough information to have an opinion. Lazy truth is the lie you deep down believe is true and probably wont be convinced differently and will fight to protect.  The media is rushing to give us that first opinion. Sheep mentality.  When the towers went down on 9/11, some fat woman was talking directly into the camara,  saying how bad these people are... no one knew who they were but the media told us who to blame even before the first building came down. 

I also agree that most intelligent people are clever enough to know what is true and what is nonsense... unfortunately ,  clever people do not make up the majority.

Most people are the same though,  we believe everything about who the bad guys are and who the good guys are,  because the TV told us so... we are to lazy to find out the other side of the story and conveniently  (for the media houses) become mouth pieces on topics we actually know nothing about. Wars and corruption all fall off the radar as we happily repeat the lies we have heard to our fellow ignorant people and create a critical mass of misinformation which cannot be stopped.   

The thing is  , we are all mouth pieces about the crime and corruption that is rife in south africa today.  The soccer world cup publications strive to make liars of us by showing the world a different story.  I asked where the high fences are because in soccer city there was no sign of security or walls... so i must be making it up.

I should not care... we are enjoying our new life.
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Re: Puppet show for the world
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2010, 08:22:46 pm »
I also agree that most intelligent people are clever enough to know what is true and what is nonsense... unfortunately ,  clever people do not make up the majority.

Now I think if all this were true then everybody in the world would have known what was going on in SA from the 60's through to the 90's and everybody would have know that lions don't actually roam in the streets of Jo'burg. They also would have known what so called "apartheid" meant. Some people are just too stupid to see the paper from the trees. Cheers, SAKB.
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Re: Puppet show for the world
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2010, 10:18:14 pm »
'spose that is why Ronald said "unfortunately ,  clever people do not make up the majority."

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Re: Puppet show for the world
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2010, 10:54:51 pm »

I think most people knew what was going on in SA - hence the sanctions, housing the exiles, and rioting on Springbok tours...

Whether or not they wanted to act upon it, is another story - like Zimbabwe....



I think they knew, but I know they didn't understand .  And to understand is to truly know .  Heck, even I don't understand as it is all so complicated.  It is not just about black and white.  It was about so much more, even Boere against English. 

When I want someone to understand South Africa, I tell them to go and read My Traitors Heart, by Rian Malan. He went into exile, came back to write a story about the atrocities of apartheid, and ended up finding that there were so many different sides to the story, and wrote about them all.  Which is why he gave it the title, My Traitors Heart.    He gives both sides of the story.    I need to buy that book again, I used to lend it out and one lady never gave it back.  I guess she needed it more than me. 

Btw, anyone know what will happen to the thousands (how many ?  21 000 or 51 000 ? ) newly trained police officers after the world cup ?  I am hoping they will carry on being employed to protect SA citizens.   

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Re: Puppet show for the world
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2010, 02:23:05 am »
Btw, anyone know what will happen to the thousands (how many ?  21 000 or 51 000 ? ) newly trained police officers after the world cup ?  I am hoping they will carry on being employed to protect SA citizens. 

 :2funny: Your guess is as good as ours...  :2funny:
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Re: Puppet show for the world
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2010, 06:26:29 am »

very interesting indeed- just like we said

http://www.fin24.com/Columnists/Greta-Steyn/Unaffordable-extravagance-20100608


THERE's a palpable sense of euphoria over the 2010 FIFA World Cup, which kicks off this week. But this euphoria fades fast when you realise that many dreams and hopes attached to the World Cup are far removed from reality  – and I'm not talking about which team you're supporting.

In a nutshell, the World Cup was supposed to generate major short-term economic benefits in the form of growth and jobs, while also creating longer-term investment opportunities. The argument is that foreigners will see what a wonderful country SA is and want to invest substantially in this country.

Much has already been written about how short-term benefits for growth from the Cup have been overstated. Cadiz, specifically, has argued that soccer spectators aren't big spenders and that the addition to retail spending from them will be miniscule. It is sceptical about the forecast that the World Cup's effect on gross domestic product growth this year will be 0.5% - a sizeable figure considering that overall growth is expected at about 3%.

The Grant Thornton analysis – if one can call it that – has to be taken with a pinch of salt. For instance, one finds this intriguing paragraph in regard with establishing how many jobs the World Cup created: "The number of annual jobs sustained in total is 695 000.

"Of these, 280 000 annual jobs will be sustained in 2010 and 174 000 by the net additional economic activity this year. This is an economic measure of equivalent annual jobs sustained by this amount of economic activity, and not new jobs created."

What on earth does this mean? Over what period have the World Cup jobs been "sustained" and how many new jobs have been created? Grant Thornton can't tell us, hoping instead that journalists will use 695 000 in their headlines.

The stark truth is that, in a country with SA's poverty, the money spent on building stadiums could have been better spent elsewhere. Just watch the news. A striking example is the open toilets next to the dirt roads in Khayelitsha.

Rainbow nation dream comes crashing down

The real meaning of the World Cup was made clear to me when Cape Town mayor Dan Plato said on e-TV news that he was removing the open toilets because he didn't want this kind of footage to be beamed across the world. The whole issue is an example of the rainbow nation dream which underpins the World Cup crashing down. Amazingly, the toilets were removed.

Plato, who is from the Democratic Alliance (DA), decided to remove them after ANC Youth League (ANCYL) members led the charge in tearing down the tin shelters erected around the open toilets in recent days. The ANCYL is demanding that concrete shelters be built.

Plato's only worry seems to be for the BBC and CNN not to film the open toilets, but the dispute might well make international news.

The point is that we are trying to portray a country that doesn't exist. The fact is that those open toilets have been in Khayelitsha for months, and that the tin shelters were a recent development – probably prompted by the looming soccer spectacular.

The ANCYL is obviously wrong in breaking the tin shelters down. But that doesn't excuse the fact that there were open toilets in the first place.

I don't know how much the Cape Town municipality spent on the World Cup. Grant Thornton says cities and provinces spent a total of R9bn. But if the city of Cape Town can afford a world class stadium, surely it can afford closed-off toilets? Which would you rather have, if you were a resident of Makhaza in Khayelitsha?

Proper sewerage vs state-of-the-art stadiums

I mention this as one example of the extreme poverty in this country that exists just kilometres away from these wonderful stadiums. In the February Budget, it was disclosed that government had spent about R33bn in preparation for the tournament. This doesn't include spending such as the Gautrain and the freeway improvement projects, which aren't directly related to the World Cup.

The DA recently leaked the government's Green Drop report on the country's sewerage infrastructure, which government had hoped to keep quiet. The findings were scary, with the report finding that 55% of municipalities' sewerage facilities were "inadequate".

Only 7% were rated as excellent. Even worse, the actual level of non-compliance is likely to be higher, as only 53% of the country's 852 treatment plants were assessed in the Green Drop report. Many simply didn't reply. The backlog in sewerage infrastructure is R23bn – which could have been covered by the money spent on building beautiful stadiums.

You may wonder why I'm spending so much time talking about toilets. The point is, SA hasn't even got the basics right and yet thinks it's great to spend massive amounts of money on a soccer spectacular. There's also the R75bn backlog in roads and R27bn backlog in electricity distribution infrastructure.

One point that should spoil the euphoria about the World Cup is the fact that foreign journalists aren't stupid – they'll find the poverty and portray it to the world. No matter that beggars have apparently been removed from Durban's streets (and put where, I wonder?). The British Financial Times this week ran a story based on Durban with the headline: Poor cry foul over World Cup in Durban.

The SA that Cup supporters want to portray exists only in dreams and television commercials. Booking our place in history indeed – but not in the way that you think.

Greta Steyn


- Fin24.com       



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Re: Puppet show for the world
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2010, 06:43:42 am »
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the money spent on building stadiums could have been better spent elsewhere
en dit is nie die einde van spandeer aan die stadiums nie....ek hoor gister oor die nuus - PE stadium kos
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