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Offline ChristyL

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Is it everyone or just me?
« on: October 06, 2010, 12:00:10 PM »
I was just wandering about something....  :-\

When you all started thinking about immigrating, was it difficult to find anything good about SA? I know it happened to all my friends who have immigrated - they just started to complain about everything all the time. I have to admit, I found it very irritating at the time.  :knuppel2:

The problem is, now I find myself doing it! I wander if things are really getting worse or is it just that I'm looking for reasons to leave? I don't want to be a drone to the friends that are staying behind, but the sad state of the country seems to come up in every conversation.

Just interested to hear if it happened to anyone else?  ???

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Re: Is it everyone or just me?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2010, 12:39:49 PM »
its normal

its how we justify our big move.

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Offline Wayne and Kath

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Re: Is it everyone or just me?
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2010, 01:57:56 PM »
Yup, same things happening here, the small irritations become big irritations and the future looks bleaker and bleaker. Reckon its a way of justifying your decision and preparing for separation.
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Re: Is it everyone or just me?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2010, 02:06:32 PM »
Yes, I find I am doing that as well.  Thought it was just me being negative. When people say positive things, I think they are living with the fairies :confused: It must be normal then.
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Re: Is it everyone or just me?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2010, 05:10:46 PM »
I think to be honest we all did / do - while living in SA you have to wear blinkers - once you made your decision your blinkers comes off and you see all the ugly for what it really are.......  :(

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2010, 06:49:52 PM »
I think to be honest we all did / do - while living in SA you have to wear blinkers - once you made your decision your blinkers comes off and you see all the ugly for what it really are.......  :( 

I agree with dievissers. I don't think we do it to "justify" our move.
It's just that you "don't notice" or "don't want to notice" what is wrong and going on while you're there and "happy" with SA.
Once you "realise" what is going on or what is wrong OR "decide" that what is going on, is wrong and you need to get out of there because you cannot "fix" whatever it is that is wrong. Then you start "noticing" everything that is wrong and it is as if it is "amplified", and that is the problem. It is as if the "scales" that protected/covered your eyes against the "sunlight" was so thick that you never saw the sun and suddenly when the "scales" are gone, you are nearly blinded... ::)  (if you understand what I mean...  ??? )
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2010, 08:19:00 PM »
Justification might be the wrong word.
Confirmation might be a better word.

If you buy a lime green car,   and you know that you are the only one in your family who bought that color car.. you feel a little bit like everyone questions your choice.  It gets pointed out often but you like it,  because that is your favorite color.   Every day you spot people,  also driving lime green cars,  you spot people from different age groups,  races,  genders and nationalities.  To a certain extent you dont feel "awkward" , you dont feel its a wrong choice,  but you notice lime green cars because its something which is now something which occupy your mind often.   You know at least 4 people wanting to buy the same color.    A friend buys a new pink one.  You dont want to question their choice because you have been there,  but you can connect on a certain level.

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Re: Is it everyone or just me?
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2010, 09:07:44 PM »
green car - moving to new zealand
pink car - moving to canada.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2010, 02:42:10 AM »
But after a year or two, you stop complaining, you hear something and shake your head in disgust, but carry on with your relatively normal life.  And you remember the good things about South Africa, the ones you can  count on your one hand, like the camping trips to the Cedarberg, the trips to the Kruger.  And then you start making new memories in your new country. 

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2010, 04:40:33 AM »
then the process repeats itself, you really start looking around your new country and see all the ugly things you don't want to live with. you start affirming/confirming this and get the usual flack from fellow south-africans. how dare you speak ill of the place that graciously accepted your funds and skills? besides, it's so pretty here.

whilst your peers in actual first world countries move even higher up the corporate ladder, you regress, eventually into a state of depression. the dreary weather smothers your otherwise passionate and driven personality. you don't recognize yourself anymore, neither does your family.

you don't care how pretty the countryside is...your marriage suffers, relationships suffer.  the sun shines, but the damage is done. you can't live here anymore.

you salvage what you can and you start planning another move abroad.
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Re: Is it everyone or just me?
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2010, 05:18:25 AM »
Wow Magusta,  :gl2: with your move, I don't mean this sarcastically or in any bad way but from the bottom of my heart  :1hug: if you are not happy in New Zealand and staying here causes so much unhappiness I really hope that you can find a better place. I really really hope that we (my family and I)  will be able to make a success in NZ and I believe we will.  :)

ChristelL- I also agree with the others, we felt the same. If you HAVE to stay in SA because you don't have a opportunity to go, then you have to find something positive but to be honest, like I said, I agree with the others, you become more realistic about all the wrongs when you decide to immigrate. Our friends judged us terribly for deciding to move because they believe that everything in Sa will improve, if it does then great but we did not want to take that change.

 
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Offline jeanekaren

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Re: Is it everyone or just me?
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2010, 06:43:00 AM »
I was on a course a few years ago (yes, also a golf course - but that's not the one I'm talking about here). I was
taught that your mind, thinking and actions move you to act in a way you have already sub-consiously decided
where you want to be. I.e. if you decided that you want to open our own business, you will start thinking and acting in a way that will open avenues for you to start your business. You would start investigating what business opportunities would be viable, you will start looking at premises, you will start looking at competitors etc. I think the migration thing is
the same. If you are not happy where you are, for whatever reason, you will start looking for other options and you will start acting in such a way that you make things happen.

At first I thought it was a strange concept, but if you are aware of it and pay some attention to your thoughts and actions, you will see it is very true.

Only my 2 cents worth.

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Offline Wayne and Kath

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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2010, 08:56:32 AM »
I think its the whole process of uncertainty, and wanting confirmation that your have made the right decision.  20 years ago many families (mine included) went throught a similar quandry in Zimbabwe, swearing they would never leave, but circumstances became such that they had to make a decision for the sake of their families wellbeing and sanity, once that decision was made, found fault in almost everything about the country and couldnt wait to leave.  When they arrived in South Africa 90% of them sought out other expats formed their own little groups, and complained about everything in SA and became 'when we's' !!  After a while though, as you start to feel secure in your new surroundings, and have made friends this dissapates and we carry on our lives in harmony.  Now the general feeling in SA is 'things are getting bad, we have to leave' and so the roundabout turns.  Im not trying to compare Zim to SA or SA to NZ, or jump on a political bandwagon, as I think that the situations are completely different.  I am trying to relate to the emotional side of reasoning and making a decision to move, yes, we are going to have our doubts, but we will eventually accept the changes/differences, and its up to us to make the best out of any situation, no one can do that for us.  I also agree with leaving your 'baggage' behind you at OR Tambo.  The grass is never going to be greener, but a different shade of green.
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2010, 12:29:28 PM »
Magusta, I can understand where you're coming from as my hubby tends to be the same (comparing his status here with peers in America for instance, and what we could buy there for our $ vs here in NZ).  My hubby does tend to be a bit of a pessimist though, and I personally don't think he'll be happy in ANY country in the world.  *I don't mean that you're a pessimist, though, please don't get me wrong!!

I think this puts things into perspective though.  When we first moved to the United States 12 years ago, friends of ours that had preceded us gave us the following advice, and I would like to give it here.

When you move to a new country, the first year, you love it.  The second year, you hate it.  The third year, you sort out what you like from what you don't like and settle into a comfortable peace with what isn't perfect.   But for some this can be a shorter time than a year.  The lesson to be learned, is to sometimes stick it out past the "hate" period, to where you can chew the meat and spit out the bones.

Another very important thing that comes out of Magusta's post, is that if there's anything that is going to test your marriage to the extreme, it's going to be immigration.  Be prepared for this.  Make sure you keep communications open with your spouse.  Don't keep your feelings in, but also be prepared to listen to each other, and not disregard or put down the other's feelings.  Talk things out.

Depression is a very serious illness.  Yes it starts with little things that gets one upset.  But if you let it linger, you will start concentrating on the negative stuff.  Whether that is the negative of the country you're living in, or the marriage relationship, or whatever.  But immigration in itself is one of the highest stress-factors in ones life.  And there is a recognized "illness" called Post Immigration Stress Syndrome (*** - go figure!  :2funny: ).  If you're starting to feel very depressed, you may need to seriously consider going to a doctor for some help.  I'm not saying this lightly.  I've been through this in the States.  At first I didn't recognize it as depression, until my one sister told me that I needed to see a dr. 

I want to caution against "country-hopping".  I'm not saying that those of you who have left SA, come here, stayed for a couple of years, and left again, are all in this boat though... BUT,  if your basis of moving countries is based ONLY on the "ugliness" of the country you're in, you will find that there IS NO perfect country on this earth, and your unhappiness will follow you wherever you go.  Because in your next country of choice, you will again reach that cycle - Love, Hate, Spit out the bones and chew the meat.  So what I'm saying is, be careful that your reason for leaving South Africa is not ONLY based on crime situation... because yes, there is crime EVERYWHERE (although to lesser degrees, and often less violent).  And if you're leaving NZ after you've come here, be careful that it's not just because you're finding fault with everything around you.

Remember that the corporate ladder ends somewhere... and when you got to the top, what do you have?  And where do you go?  Think about your goals in life - is it only to get to the top in the corporate ladder, or to earn as much as your peers?  Or do you want to enjoy your work as well as enjoy time with your family? 

My husband is in IT, and his peers in the USA were often earning easily double what he was.  But the business he was in, was not an IT cpy like Dell or Compaq.  It was a retail organic foods store.  They can't afford to pay the salaries that Dell could.  But we learned to live within our means, and I so appreciated that my hubby was home every night in time for dinner, and in time to help put the kids to bed.  Friends of ours who did work for Dell, lived in SO much stress that I was glad Jan didn't.  So one needs to think about what you want out of life.  When we moved here, we did not get a higher salary.  In fact, we got the same salary in NZ$ that he was earning in US$.  And stuff here costs 3-5x the price that it did in the USA, including food!  Fortunately, we had put money aside in the USA, so we have not suffered, but it sure has irked us when we buy something here, knowing that the Kiwi public is being taken for a ride, just because we're the "cul-de-sac" of the world!  I sure don't like paying between $10-$20 a kg for chicken, when I was used to paying only $4 (for skinless, boneless breasts!). 

Right now, my hubby is in the HATE phase of the cycle.  He only sees what is wrong with NZ now.  And it sure makes him difficult to live with!  On the other hand, I'm in the "finding and spitting out the bones" phase.  I'm starting to be content, and starting to be happy here, after going through a Hate phase myself.  Fortunately, I'm the more optimistic one by nature, so I usually balance out his negative comments with showing him the positive.
And when we sit and evaluate things in a realistic manner, we are thankful that we're now in NZ, and no longer in the USA.... because yes, in the USA you're constantly aware of the rat-race - to the top of the ladder... get there, get there, step on anybody to get there.  But here in NZ, we've been able to take on a far more relaxed attitude.  We go on little road trips more often, and are thankful that we don't have to pay to go into nature reserves.  And we realise that there are things here that are better for our children than even in the USA.  (and no, NZ is not PERFECT for raising your kids, in fact some people say it's even worse here, but I have SA and the USA to compare to, and I'm happier to raise my kids here). 

apologies for long post...  I hope I've explained myself properly.  For those of you, ChristyL and the others still in SA, please know that part of what you're feeling is normal yes... but be careful that you don't let the negative you see in SA start to take over to the point at which you start taking that negativity along with you...

All the best with the rollercoaster ride!  It never ends, it just gets more fun!
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Re: Is it everyone or just me?
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2010, 12:57:26 PM »
Well said ZATEXNZ. What you have described is well documented and even appears on the INZ website - http://www.immigration.govt.nz/NR/rdonlyres/DF2342D4-5998-4CA3-B2E6-32EE768389E4/0/LivingGuide00Introduction.pdf
 
For migrants, the first part of the settlement journey is fun.
It is filled with anticipation of new and interesting experiences
- and this mindset can continue for some time, through arrival
and for several months after.
However, at some point something happens that gives you a
fright - a relationship issue, a problem with the new job, bad
news from the home country, sickness, a budget crisis - whatever
the event, it makes you realise that this new country is different

from where you come from.
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