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Offline GertCoetzee

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Girlfriend wants to stay
« on: October 20, 2010, 02:03:22 PM »
Hi all

I am new to the forum. I have read some of your posts and find the comments very helpful. I have post this topic on the long white sofa already so my apologies if I upset someone. I would just like all the help and comments I can get.

I have a bit of a problem myself.....

My parents, brother, sister (married) and I (32, Accountant) have made the decision to migrate to NZ.   We are working through a agent so everything is well planed and organized.

My problem is the following:

I have met a girl a year back. She have a 2 year old son (not mine but care and love him as my own). We are very close and had a good year full of laughs and joy. She knew my plans for migrating with my parents to NZ and we spoke about it. As far as I knew, she was coming with.

Three weeks back the trouble started. She doesn't wanna go anymore. She gave a few reasons why she cant go. (Leaving her parents  behind, unsure if our relationship is strong enough and will last, finances)

Well, financially my family and myself  is in good shape. I think our relationship is strong enough too.
We have argued a lot about NZ lately, we even broke up two weeks ago.

One can now argue that I don't love her enough to stay for 3 to 4 years, get married and then migrate or that she doesn't love me enough to come with me but I (we) don't necessary think thats the case.

We are on speaking terms again and I have to make my final, final decision. Do I stay or do I go.

I wanna give them and myself a better future in NZ. The time is right for me to go now. She is also very good qualified.

I am at the crossroad now and I don't no which way anymore. I have decided to go, but don't want to loose her and the boy I love. If I stay she will marry me, but don't wanna go now. If I go now, I loose her. She said I must go, but I know I'm going to loose her and it breaks my heart.

Either way there are going to be regrets. And the question "what if...." will always haunt me.

I am planing on going to NZ in 4 months time and this is by far the most difficult and hardest thing I had to do.

I'd really want her to come with me but u cant make somebody do they don't wanna do.

Please help me with your comments and thoughts.


Kind Regards

GertCoetzee

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Re: Girlfriend wants to stay
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2010, 03:52:38 PM »
 :welcome:  to the forum! Tough that you find yourself in such a pickle all of a sudden. You do know that there's no easy answer here, and no one is going to tell you what to do. This is your decision and only you can make it. For what its worth i would recomend taking it easy now, you have time, don't rush into anything. Listen to your heart and it will point you in the right direction eventually.  :gl:
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Re: Girlfriend wants to stay
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2010, 03:52:38 PM »

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Re: Girlfriend wants to stay
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2010, 06:55:48 PM »
 :welcome:  Very tough emotionally.  If finances are not a problem, why not take her and the child on an SLD trip to NZ soon.  Take her to all the fantastic parks for the kids, take a walk in the middle of the night down a street , see the beauty, let her phone home for an hour and show that it only cost a pittance.  This is what she needs to see. 

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Re: Girlfriend wants to stay
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2010, 07:12:07 PM »
 :welcome: to the forum

Agree with Savayla, bring her on a LSD. For some people it is difficult to form a decision on a country if they have not been there before and she will have to decide for herself. I have a friend in OZ (also not married to her boyfriend) and she will be returning to SA in Jan. She did not want to go to OZ and she is very unhappy there and they broke up  :'(

 :gl2: very difficult one to give advice on.

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Re: Girlfriend wants to stay
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2010, 09:26:37 PM »
Gert, I am afraid no one would be able to give you a straight answer you would "like" to hear right now.   Although a LSD trip has helped a lot of people in the past, unfortunately not everyone has the means to just "hop on" a plane and come see.  :-\  Even if they had the means, I do not think a "touristy" LSD trip would be the answer to your problems, as it seems like the actual issues here are on a much deeper emotional level and you do not deal with those issues on an LSD trip.

What I CAN tell you, is that no matter what decision you both make, the important thing is that BOTH of you need to make it together.  No amount of bribing or emotional manipulation would help convince your other half, once you reach this side and things start to get tough it will all fall apart.  It is important that you realize that immigration is emotionally extremely tough, on all parties, and if your relationship is on slippery edges, or she was not 100% convinced of coming here, you WILL fail.  That I can almost guarantee 100%.  I am sorry if this is something you do not want to hear right now, but forewarned is forearmed.

You HAVE to want to be here, and she HAS to want to be here - so both of you know how to stick it out in tough times!  Emotionally it seems like you have to make some very hard decisions, and if emotions play a part - then it multiplies in intensity, but you have to look at what is best for all parties! 

And the most important thing of all - do not regret whatever decision you make - live with it (to quote my pĂȘl on this forum...).  Learn from it, but live with it!

Good luck with your decisions, and I pray for wisdom for you and insight for her...  ;)
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Offline magusta

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Re: Girlfriend wants to stay
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2010, 11:08:05 PM »
agree with rockhopper, immigration will put your relationship through a 'baptism' of fire. strong marriages have failed as a result of immigration. if both parties aren't in agreement, it will fail, there is no doubt. knowing that would you want to put her and her son through that?

look at it from her point of view - her only support base (family) is in SA. do you really want to take that away from her? if you don't have any financial difficulties, why not stay behind in sa and join your folks at a later stage? nut things out. nz isn't going anywhere fast.

just a thought. you need to do what you have to do. weigh things up and decide.

good luck.

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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2010, 11:48:35 PM »
Hi Gert,
First things first.
  :welcome:  to the forum.  (Now that that is out the way, let's get down to business...  ::) )

You should have known, that before you asked us all this difficult question, that not 1 of us could really tell you what you should or could do...  ::)
Something that I always say (ask anybody that's been here a whee while...  ::) ) is "Man live by choice only"...
Which equates to something like this... you have to make your own choices and then have to live with your achievement as well as your failures. It also means you cannot live by or with the choices that I made. It becomes a bit more trickier where 2 people are involved.
If you ask me my reasons for leaving SA, and you ask my wife her reasons for leaving SA, although we're married and in NZ at present, both our reasons for leaving differed like night and day. Because what was a problem for her in her life, did not bother me at all. What made me say yeah we need to move, did not, at the time, feature in her reasons as such. But we made "choices" and we have to live with those "choices" that we made.
So all I can say is you alone can make your choices and you have to give your lady friend an opportunity to make her choices as well.
What I can tell you though is we did come to NZ on a LSD (Look, See and Decide) trip and it was a done deal after that.
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Re: Girlfriend wants to stay
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2010, 11:48:35 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 03:00:51 AM »
HI Gert, and welcome!

This is definitely a very difficult decision for sure!  And I agree with the others, that if you're not in full agreement about wanting to come over, then your relationship will definitely suffer. Immigration is a very tough move in one's life, and your girlfriend has valid worries.  If you were already married, it may have been different, although it doesn't mean that you would necessarily agree either.
If you're looking for advice, I'll give mine, but you don't have to take it! :) 
You've only known this lady for a year.  And in most cases, it is advisable to have a longer time of getting to know each other properly before making a life-time commitment of marriage.  So if you're REALLY sure that this is the woman you want to spend the rest of your life with, I'd stay behind, and build on the relationship.  If after another year, you're still very sure she's the lady for you, then get married.  All the while, keeping in mind that even if she does marry you, it doesn't mean that she is necessarily agreeing to move countries.  This is not something I would force on anybody.  As others have said, you both have to WANT to go. 
The other option is to leave, and continue to correspond with each other.  Sometimes absence does make the heart grow stronger.  And it could be a good test of your love for each other.  You may then get to a point that you decide you just have to go back and marry her, or she comes to a point of realizing that she really wants to and needs to get out of SA in order to give her son a better future. 

Another factor you may need to consider in making your choice, is the baby - and his dad.  Is his biological dad still around and involved in his son's life?  Because, should your GF decide to eventually join you in going to a new country, she would have to get consent from the biological father for removing the boy from his home country.  This is VERY important to think about.

Remember that remaining behind while your other family moves here, does help with your points later on.  Also, it will give you a feel for what it will be like living without your family close by.  It may just help you to understand her dilemma.  Us females are usually far more emotionally attached to our families than you guys.  But for you to come over with your family will be a lot different than for your GF who would be leaving hers behind.  And what about future children?  It's hard raising kids in a foreign country without your usual family support nearby.

Just some food for thought.  ;)
All the best with your choices!
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Offline GertCoetzee

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Re: Girlfriend wants to stay
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2010, 09:05:52 AM »
Thank you all for welcoming me to the forum and all the comments. You gave me some real food for thought.

The boys biological father haven't visit him since he was born, and haven't helped  financially for more than 7 months now. 

I am going to see my lady friend this weekend and I want to talk to her about all the possible scenarios that I thought of myself and all the comments you guys gave me and hopefully we can come to a conclusion.

This is a tough one but I believe the right decisions will be made.

Thank you all for taking the time to read my post and leave valid comments, I appreciate it very much. Feel free to leave further thoughts as I am reading and considering everything.

PS: Yes I am Afrikaans.

Kind Regards

Gert 

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2010, 02:13:49 AM »
Gert, considering the fact that you are Afikaans you better get used to being called Gurt in NZ, sorry just had to tease a bit  ;D.

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Re: Girlfriend wants to stay
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2010, 08:38:22 AM »
Hahaha think I'd rather go for the Garry option.

Well it's Friday today and we'll see how the conversation goes with me lady friend.

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Re: Girlfriend wants to stay
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2010, 08:48:34 AM »
 :gl2: with you chat.  Do not envy you one bit.  Just some more food for thought - from the time I met my partner he wanted to get out of SA, but I was not ready for many of the same reasons your GF isn't ready and I felt that our relationship was too new to even entertain the thought, but now 6 years later, here we are, but we've forged a very strong and close relationship, had a child together in the meantime and now I wonder why I ever wanted to stay in SA.  BUT I do know that if I'd been "forced" to leave, I might see things differently.  I really do think both of you must want to leave and make the decision together. 

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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2010, 12:57:57 PM »
Another thought to keep in mind.  Your Lady will not be able to come here on any of your merits.  Even if you were to marry her now, I'm wondering how Immigrations sees it.  For those of us coming over with spouses (or is that spice?  ;) ), we've had to prove that we've been in a permanent/stable  relationship for 12 months or more.  This means that we have to prove living together at the same address.... but then I also remember some people having come over just after getting married, so I may be WAY off the mark here.

The big thing is that if you're NOT married, when you come, and should your Lady decide to come to, she would have to at this stage come on her own merits.  That means she would have to submit her own EOI, and have enough points to get PR, OR have the right skills to get her own Work Permit.

On the other hand, should she agree to come and also agree to marry you, you may still want to wait at least a year before making the move.  Why?  Because immigration is STRESSFUL.  And even the Bible admonished young men not to go to war in their first year of marriage - because they need to spend time building on that marriage.  Remember, it's a life-time commitment.  So you don't want to get married and then move too soon.  IT would put way too much stress on your marriage in that first year.

Again... just my 2c worth... oh sorry, they don't have 2c coins here... I mean my 10c worth!   >:D
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Re: Girlfriend wants to stay
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2010, 09:24:48 AM »
Hi all

Well, to give you some feedback. I had a long deep thought about everything.

I suggested to my lady friend that I will wait another year in SA. We can move in together. See how the relationship goes. Whether it will be strong enough for a migration and if we love each other enough.

Well needless to say, she's not up for that. Its either I stay with her or I go by myself.
I am even prepared to stay for two years.  Point is, I wanna go and cant sit around and wait for her to someday be ready to go.
Fact is , I want to go, I can wait a while, bot not indefinitely.

Hard part is that I love her very much.

I feel my hopes and dreams doesn't count and it's all about what she wants.

Maybe I should use my mothers advice....."You have to be cruel to be kind" en maak dit eerder n kort skande, as n lang verdried.

Dalk voel ek ook net aardig, maar sit vir aardig onder die klip en dink n slag aan jouself en aan jou eie geluk.

Look out New Zealand, I come with a bang !!!!

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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2010, 10:29:51 AM »
I don't envy you your problem. :( :( I suppose it all comes down how badly you want to go to NZ.  Also, what happens if after staying together for 2 years she still does not want to move.  What will you do then?  I have no answers, but good luck anyway, and keep  us informed. :gl: :gl:
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