Author Topic: No future for my kids (Read 1232 times)

Chan in Wellington · « **on:** March 07, 2011, 11:37:49 AM »

Aside from the crime, which has spiralled out of control, another HUGE reason for us wanting to leave is that IF your child does get into Varsity, chances that he/she (especially he) will get a job in the 'new' SA are pretty slim. The stats on well educated, unemloyed white males is staggering.

2GatJakkals · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2011, 12:59:02 PM »

The rate of unemployment among white South Africans is 4,1%: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Africa

New Zealand's unemployment rate is 6,8%: http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/lmr/lmr-labour-market-update.asp

Also, the fastest growing sector of the Johannesburg Stock Exchange, is that for businesses owned by Afrikaners, going from 10% of the total value of the JSE in 1994, to 40% in 2011: http://business.iafrica.com/news/689156.html

So, it doesn't really make sence to make your hopes for better employment or more money the diciding factor to move to New Zealand.

There are other good reasons, like crime and deteriorating services, but I think it makes more sense to find positive reasons on the other side to move towards, rather than focussing on the negative ones you want to run away from.

I don't mean to be patronising. I say it because these are the things I am battling with.

SA Going to NZ Advice Forum · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2011, 12:59:02 PM »

Chan in Wellington · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:54:10 PM »

Thanks for the stats!

Ziegfried · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2011, 07:28:37 PM »

Quote from: 2GatJakkals on March 07, 2011, 12:59:02 PM

The rate of unemployment among white South Africans is 4,1%: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Africa
New Zealand's unemployment rate is 6,8%: http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/lmr/lmr-labour-market-update.asp
Also, the fastest growing sector of the Johannesburg Stock Exchange, is that for businesses owned by Afrikaners, going from 10% of the total value of the JSE in 1994, to 40% in 2011: http://business.iafrica.com/news/689156.html

So, it doesn't really make sence to make your hopes for better employment or more money the diciding factor to move to New Zealand.

There are other good reasons, like crime and deteriorating services, but I think it makes more sense to find positive reasons on the other side to move towards, rather than focussing on the negative ones you want to run away from.

I don't mean to be patronising. I say it because these are the things I am battling with.

Unfortunately your sources you rely on for your assumptions are highly unreliable. First of all your Wikipedia link. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. I can change that figure to 50% now. Have you seen there is the option to [edit] above each paragraph. Furthermore the so-called stats were taken form the 2001 sensus. That is 10 years ago!

Your next reference is an article where they quote the ANC spin doctor Gwede Mantashe. I do not need to say more.

But you conveniently reference a NZ gov website for official stats as comparison.

Feather · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2011, 08:54:38 PM »

And the NZ unemployment rate is higher due to the two earthquakes in Chch which haven't help the economy at all.

SA3001 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2011, 09:01:05 PM »

Quote from: 2GatJakkals on March 07, 2011, 12:59:02 PM

New Zealand's unemployment rate is 6,8%: http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/lmr/lmr-labour-market-update.asp

Also, remember that this rate of 6.8% is inclusive of the entire population - all ages and races. I'm not saying that you will be better off career wise in NZ, but what I can say is that my OH is much happier knowing that if he loses his job or doesn't progress, it won't be based on BEE factors etc. Also, his occupation requires him to travel quite a lot and it was really getting to him having to be in some of the areas in SA - like Transkei - where he was always on edge. Now he loves travelling - all over the lower north island. Lucky him

till23 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2011, 09:38:07 PM »

A simple google search regarding "white ownership on JSE" will confirm that the percentage is arround 40-45%. For example Mike Schussler's comment below:

Black South Africans own 23% worth of the listed shares on the JSE. White SA shareholding represents 45%, with foreigners (31%) and the state (1%) owning the rest.

The holdings of black South Africans – all African, coloured and Indian residents according to the department of trade and industry (dti) - in JSE companies have grown significantly over the past decade.

This trend will continue to accelerate as transformation in the workplace gains continues and more blacks contribute to retirement and other management funds.

These are the key findings from research into the demographics of shareholders in listed companies commissioned by Sake24 and conducted by Mike Schüssler, head of independent economists group economists.co.za.

My personal experience regarding employment of young, recently qualified "whites" stem from children from my circle of family, extended family, friends and ex-colleagues( who became good friends ) in SA. They range in age from 23 to 31years. I stopped counting when I reached 43 (there are more). All of these young people are tertiary and professionally qualified. They did not struggle to find employment and 90% plus are employed by companies, firms, universities , schools, etc. Only a handful are self employed - medical doctors/specialist and a chartered accountant and civil engineer.

Obviously this cannot be applicable to all spheres and levels of the community. What is clear is that the " no chance of employment/future for young white males " is not nearly an absolute.

There is a lot of merit in 2Gatjakkals post ( even more so in view of the recent earthquake and its effect on the already fragile NZ economy ) and his stats are not as "unreliable" as being made out to be.

The irony is that we have lost more NZ South African friends that left NZ for the same reason you want to leave SA( i.e. no future/employment for them or their children ) than who emigrated from SA.

SA Going to NZ Advice Forum · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2011, 09:38:07 PM »

Chan in Wellington · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2011, 05:59:28 AM »

Scary stuff

cyclewife · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2011, 02:59:06 PM »

I hear what your saying re unemployment - and yes - there are youth that are getting employed etc but what is their scope for advancement in the future. With all the BEE cr*& that goes on.
My concern is not necessarily the unemployment - but the furthering of education & the state of our universities.
My friend has spent the last two months going from PE to Durban to Cape Town to try & get her children registered at a university.
Her daughter has scored enough points to enter the medical industry - but cant follow her dream because she is a white & there is a quota.. never mind the fact that people of color that barely scrape through make the cut.
She really wanted to be in Durban as she has friends & family there - but after spending a week being shunted around & seeing the state of the university facilities - my friend refused to leave her daughter in another town on her own to study...so off to Cape Town they went... she has now ended up registered for a course that she had about 5th on her list... And my dear friend had to fork out thousands to rent a small apartment cause she couldn't get her into res at the varsity.
Her son will be studying at the same varsity so at least she isn't leaving her on her own entirely.

My other friends in KeriKeri North Island left for that reason - their son wants to study medicine - but they saw the writing on the wall & moved 2 years ago to give him that opportunity. Auckland apparently have great facilities for medicine studies.

So I understand concerns from parents re their children's future - I'm one of those parents

Chan in Wellington · « **Reply #9 on:** March 08, 2011, 04:54:43 PM »

Thanks cyclewife - my sentiments exactly, this is what is happening, it's not our imagination! People I know at work have their kids going through the same issues.

frodo/maya · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2011, 07:18:20 PM »

The unemployment in NZ might be high after the earthquake but in NZ the government WILL come up with solutions for this problem. In SA if you are white you have to fight for yourself, in NZ everybody are helped irrespective of your skin colour. In NZ I found that there is a "team spirit" in solving problems and finding solutions. The sense of sticking together and sorting problems out is NZ is just amazing- only my opinion

SA3001 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2011, 09:04:33 PM »

The main reason we are here is to enable our kids to get a decent tertiary education and getting them NZ citizenship will open many more doors for them in the future. I did not want to see my son's years of hard work at school count for nothing when trying to get into his university or degree of choice. Maybe they will end up in Oz or UK one day, maybe they will stay in NZ - who knows? All I know is that I will rest easy knowing I did everything I could for their future. I feel as a parent that they and their futures are my number one priority and responsibility - not my career, not my family back in SA, not my friends I left behind etc. May sound harsh, but that's how I see it and it's my reality.

SA Going to NZ Advice Forum · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2011, 09:04:33 PM »

magusta · « **Reply #12 on:** March 08, 2011, 09:36:53 PM »

My personal opinion:

The standards in NZ schooling are pretty poor. University's are good, but would your kids be able to crack the nod from them with such poor standards?

dievissers · « **Reply #13 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:07:21 PM »

My child does !

SA3001 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 08, 2011, 11:23:57 PM »

Quote from: magusta on March 08, 2011, 09:36:53 PM

My personal opinion:

The standards in NZ schooling are pretty poor. University's are good, but would your kids be able to crack the nod from them with such poor standards?

The universities have to look at the child's NCEA results and so if a child is bright and works hard, he will be rewarded. For example, a child can achieve his NCEA credits with excellence or merit and can then get into the top universities. If he just "achieves" his NCEA, then he might be overlooked for a particular degree or by a particular university if there are more candidates with better results. To me, this is fair. It was explained to us, for example, that the standards required for architecture are now being raised by the universites. So, if my son wants to study this, he must achieve really well in the relevant school subjects required. I have no problem with any of this - what it means is that it is now up to HIM and not a QUOTA system or some other rubbish whether he gets into his university or degree of choice. Don't know about the standard of education in general in the schools here - I think there are always good schools and mediocre schools. In our case, the school is great and the teachers very committed and go the extra mile.

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