Find us on Facebook
Follow us on Twitter

Author Topic: Parents have conflicting views  (Read 539 times)

Offline vonn13

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7
Parents have conflicting views
« on: April 16, 2011, 11:36:02 AM »
Hey anyone who actually decided to read this post...

Im a 17y/0 guy, doing my matric year at school right now and I really want to move to nz asap :'(....Problem is, My dad wants to go but my mom doesnt :(, I signed up for about 4 free seminars hosted by IMMagine NZ but my mom always makes excuses not to go. Everytime i mention the words "move" or "New Zealand" she shoots me down. Im considering telling her theres a school meeting somewhere and "kinap" her so she would have to go >:D

I would like some advice as to how I could get her to change her mind and also as I am doing my matric this year it would mean i should study next year but how could I apply to institutions in NZ?

Offline magusta

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 392
Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2011, 01:27:55 PM »
if it's not all-in, won't work..sorry

SA Going to NZ Advice Forum

Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2011, 01:27:55 PM »

Offline vonn13

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7
Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2011, 02:34:34 PM »
She says she wants to go but she's too fixated on doing everything (getting a job, house etc.) before even attempting to file an EOI..... She wont understand that companies wont hire her if she doesnt get out there. She's a lecturer for nursing at the moment with a masters degree and she knows that she could get a job there fast

Offline dievissers

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 777
Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2011, 07:02:08 PM »
Don't have advice but a warm  :welcome:   to the forum and   :gl2:  on getting her on board!

Offline Gypsymom

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 412
  • In the winterless north
Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2011, 08:51:53 PM »
 :welcome: :welcome: Welcome to the forum.  Maybe you could get your mom to read this forum.  :gl: :gl:
url=http://www.TickerFactory.com/]

[/url]

Offline Tui

  • Certified Addict
  • ******
  • Posts: 1707
Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2011, 08:53:45 PM »
Hello and a big welcome to the family! Maybe concerntrate on finishing your Matric year, and sit and discuss a LSD with your folks?? Maybe in Dec hols. That may just change her mind. Immigration is a MASSIVE step in anyone's book, so do not push to hard.......

Am sure if and when she comes to NZ to view the place/situation - she will be pleasantly surprised at how just amazing it is :smitten:

Also remember.....somtimes, someone's roots are just buried a little to deep, needs time to loosen!

All the best and good luck with the 'arm twisting'

x
~ Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened~

Offline SA3001

  • Certified Addict
  • ******
  • Posts: 1299
Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2011, 09:42:35 PM »
 :welcome: to the forum and  :gl: with matric.  Get your mom to read through this forum.  If it's any consolation it took 3 yrs for my now 16yr old son and my OH to twist my arm and risk it all.  Now I am  :blush: that it took me so long as we are very happy here and the best thing I could have done for my son.  He's just finished his 1st term of school here and did brilliantly.  He has taken to NZ and the education system as if he's always been here.   :gl: and also scour the INZ site about student visas and studying here.  Lots of info.  It doesn't mean you have to stay in SA next year.  You can still follow your dream - there are tons of international students here.

SA Going to NZ Advice Forum

Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2011, 09:42:35 PM »

Offline Ostrich

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 259
Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2011, 08:36:04 AM »
You are very mature for 17.  :) If your Mom is not in a position to make the move, you still have a lot of options. Even if you get your degree in SA first, being a skilled worker yourself makes it much, much easier to immigrate when you are ready. This is especially true if you pick a career that's in high demand (in NZ, but also overseas in general -- engineering, the sciences, medicine, IT, etc). Consider the cost of tuition differences, before making decisions about where to study.

Good luck with your plans!
SMC, from SA - EOI Submitted: 13 Dec 2010, EOI Selected: 15 Dec 2010, EOI Decision Successful: 04 Jan 2011, ITA Received: 06 Jan 2011, ITA Submitted: 08 March 2011, CO Allocated: 22 March 2011, Telephone Interview: 4 May 2011, Medicals clear: 23 May 2011, Residence Approved: 7 June 2011, NZ 19 July!

Offline Ostrich

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 259
Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2011, 08:39:11 AM »
NZ also has the Silver Fern visa, for young skilled people without work experience -- it's another option to read up on if you end up studying in SA first!

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/work/silverfern/jobsearch.htm
SMC, from SA - EOI Submitted: 13 Dec 2010, EOI Selected: 15 Dec 2010, EOI Decision Successful: 04 Jan 2011, ITA Received: 06 Jan 2011, ITA Submitted: 08 March 2011, CO Allocated: 22 March 2011, Telephone Interview: 4 May 2011, Medicals clear: 23 May 2011, Residence Approved: 7 June 2011, NZ 19 July!

Offline zatexnz

  • Global Moderator
  • Wizard
  • *****
  • Posts: 5000
  • Hamilton, NZ
    • Colorific Photography
Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2011, 11:09:59 AM »
Hi Vonn13, And Welcome!!!

I'm a parent myself, but not of teenagers (yet!).  I've also done the immigration thing TWICE and know what it all entails. 

Here is my "advice", seeing as you did ask for it.  ;)  BUT it's just advice - just my opinion, just a suggestion... so it's up to you to evaluate it, and decide whether it's worth following.  :)

1) As others have mentioned, concentrate on your matriculation.  Put ALL your energy into getting really GOOD ... no... GREAT marks for your finals.  You have a goal to work towards.  With good grades, you will get accepted into tertiary education so much easier. 

2)  Think really carefully about what you want to study after school.  What are you good at, what are your interests.  What careers fit that.  Then start using your spare time to study up what you need to qualify for those careers.  Check out if NZ has that to offer you.  Perhaps they don't.   Perhaps you will need to look elsewhere - Australia?  Canada?  UK?  USA?  You could even start taking out books from the library on those careers, start studying the things necessary for that - There is SO much out there that you could get yourself a head start in whatever line you're interested in - you don't HAVE to wait till you're AT varsity to be able to study what you need for a certain career anymore.

3)  If you still have any spare time left are all that  :whistle:, read up here and on the NZ Gov site about what immigration entails.  READ and READ some more.  (Or get your DAD to join up here and let HIM read!!) ::)  Start putting a "list" together of the steps needed to be taken in order to immigrate.  From your folks' point of you, and from your own (as a student).  Get all the facts in an easy to follow "formula".  And then present that to your mom.  I.e.  what needs to be done before submitting EOI, what paperwork needs to be ready, (like birth certificates, etc).  What are the chances of getting a job before submitting EOI, and after... etc. etc.  perhaps right now, your mom is just not very sure of what all will be needed.

4) Try to understand that generally, it's a lot harder for females to leave their family, friends and familiar surroundings behind, than it is for you guys.  We females are very relational.  Relationships are very important to us.  To leave your parents behind, your life-long friends, and all that is familiar, and to just go into the "unknown", is a huge undertaking for anybody, but especially for mothers.  We are responsible for the well-being of our family.  For the mental and emotional well-being, while the father is responsible for the physical and financial well-being of the family.  For him, it's a case of NZ is safer, and yes you can make money here, and you can survive, so let's go.  But for Mom, she doesn't know if she's going to be able to provide the emotional wellbeing for the whole family.  It's not just herself, but all of you.  THe mother is usually the one that has to be the pillar that holds all together, and if she falls apart, the whole family could fall apart.   Depression resulting from immigration is a very real thing, that many (not all!) have to deal with.  So try to understand that this is a HUGE decision for her to make. 

So where this is all concerned, I'm going to suggest the following:  Leave off talking about moving to NZ for the rest of the year.  Take the pressure off.  Do your studies.  Work Hard.  Help your folks around the house whenever possible.  Show them you love them and appreciate them, whether you stay or go.  Do your background investigation (number 2 & 3 above), and then when you've graduated  :smart:, sit your folks down, and have a good open-hearted talk to them about it.  Give the information you've gathered.  And let them make the decisions.  Tell them how you feel  - perhaps even tell them that you've done the research and you want to study ABC at University PQR  in country XYZ.  And then leave it with them.  Don't even bring up the subject again.  Just let it "soak" in. 

My guess is that if you and your dad leave off even talking about NZ at all, during the next 8 months, your mother will feel less pressured, and may actually make the decision herself.  But the more you push for it and nag her about it, I can almost GUARANTEE that she's going to simply push harder against it, and it will push you apart. 


Ok, there.  I've said my little piece.   :)   All the best with your endeavours, and we're here to encourage you along the way!!  :hug:
lekker sweet as, y'all
~ Colleen

Offline vonn13

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7
Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2011, 11:47:28 AM »
Thanks for all of your warm welcomes!!!

I spoke to my mother last night about immigrating and she said that she wants to go and she understands that we will be better off there. She just has some personal things she has to sort out and then we can apply!!!!! :yippee: I made her promise to go to at least one seminar on the topic.

I want to do Software Programming btw  and would just like to know if there are any polytechnics in/near Auckland.

But for now I gotta get started on an Physics project, thanks again. ;)

Offline merlin

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 17
Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2011, 12:10:50 PM »
Hi and welcome

With your mom teaching nursing, she will have no difficulty finding a job...infact...immigration will probably carry her off the plane on their shoulders.

With immigration you are always going to lose something and gain other things in exchange. Just depends if the wins are greater than the losses and that is a personal assessment.

Just a wonder : (and other members might be able to assist) If you wait too long, you might not be able to qualify for residence on your parents visa as you will be an adult in your own right and would probably need to meet the points requirement on your own...which you probably cant.

I would check the INZ website to see what the cut off age is for children.


SA Going to NZ Advice Forum

Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2011, 12:10:50 PM »

Offline vonn13

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7
Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2011, 04:35:57 PM »

Just a wonder : (and other members might be able to assist) If you wait too long, you might not be able to qualify for residence on your parents visa as you will be an adult in your own right and would probably need to meet the points requirement on your own...which you probably cant.


I think the cut off age is 25 years according to the Child Suppliment EOI but just to make sure I filed a query about the subject and am awaiting a response

Offline mandyh

  • Certified Addict
  • ******
  • Posts: 1402
Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2011, 08:30:48 PM »
The cut off is 21 and not 25.

Once you are 21 you will have to apply under your own name.

Offline dievissers

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 777
Re: Parents have conflicting views
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2011, 08:47:59 PM »
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/live/dependentchild/canimovetonz/whatisrequired/default.htm

What is required – dependent child
You need to meet a number of requirements to have your residence application approved under the Family Dependent Child Category.
First things first…
Your parent(s) must be lawfully and permanently in New Zealand.


You must
•be aged 17 years or younger and single
or
•be aged 18 to 24 years, single, and have no children of your own.
And

•be born or adopted before your parents applied for residence, and have been declared on your parents’ application for residence
or
•be born after your parents applied for residence
or
•be adopted by your parents as a result of a New Zealand adoption or an overseas adoption recognised under New Zealand law.
And

•be in good health   
•be of good character 
•be totally or substantially dependent on an adult for financial support (whether or not that adult is your parent, and whether or not you are living with that adult)
And you must supply

•evidence of your relationship to your parents
•evidence of your parent’s residence status
 
You may be asked for evidence of financial dependence
If you are aged 18 to 24 years you may be asked to provide evidence that you are dependent on an adult for financial support.

 

If you are aged 17 years or younger, not married, in a civil union or in a de facto relationship, and do not have any children of your own, you are presumed to be dependent on an adult for financial support and will not be asked for evidence.


 

Back to top