Author Topic: Migration to Australia up, immigrants to NZ down (Read 452 times)

Savayla · « **on:** June 21, 2011, 08:00:51 PM »

This is a very interesting article. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/natural-disasters/news/article.cfm?c_id=68&objectid=10733691

I am still very happy with our decision to choose NZ over Australia and we reckon that within 10 years, there will be a change due to climate, especially water. So many scientists are predicting that NZ will be the place to live. We shall see ....

Tui · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2011, 08:14:56 PM »

Yes, interesting read. We too thought on those lines when we were in OZ....the water situation, especially as we were in Perth. A very daunting thought indeed...... $:-\$ Water, lack of is a very scary thing.

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SA Going to NZ Advice Forum · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2011, 08:14:56 PM »

thombatt · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2011, 08:34:28 PM »

There are some aspects that are not brought out in the story. (and wouldn't be in the context of the story)

As most people know NZ'ers may live and work in Australia without restriction, but since 2001 NZ'ers no longer have access to Australia's benefit system. All these arrivals will be post 2001 (obviously). NZ'ers can apply for Australian PR, under the same conditions as any other person, other than the fact that they can do it onshore and be in employment. The criteria is the same as any other person in the world though, and Australia is not an easy place to migrate to. The story talks about low skilled people, these folk will be unlikely to be able to get Australian PR.

But there are some other consequences. While there is such high employment in Australia, everything is fine, but is Australia ever goes through a recession there is a potential threefold whammy for NZ, since these migrants will probably return to NZ, as they are unable to claim benefits in Australia.

1 The unemployment figures in NZ as these people return to NZ (not forgetting if there is a recession in Australia, there will almost certainly be one in NZ) will increase disproportionally.
2 These returning citizens will be able to claim benefits in NZ, which will be a drain on the public purse. (I admit I do not know the criteria for claiming benefits though)
3 NZ will not have had the benefit of the taxes paid while been employed, as these will have been paid in Australia

SA3001 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2011, 09:49:53 PM »

Very good points thombatt and there are always 2 sides to every story

Savayla · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2011, 10:05:04 PM »

Yip, it is not a cut and dry area. Just something that people who are weighing up their options, still deciding on which country, should know. Australia's money comes from coal, but they are selling out to the Chinese. Where will that end ? So many factors to think about.

Feather · « **Reply #5 on:** June 22, 2011, 05:57:50 AM »

Don't forget the increased number of NZ migrants to OZ due to Earthquakes. Most people who fled Chch will return when the ground stops moving. I know a family who left NZ before Sept 2010 for a year, they went to Germany. They won't return to NZ for the next 4 years. They are now spending another 2 years in Germany then going to the USA for a further 2 years. They are hoping that by the time they are thinking of returning the ground will have stopped shaking.
As someone who lives down here I can totally understand why so many people have left. So many of them are out of jobs or homes due to quake damage, it's really not surprising.
At this stage the people that have left NZ just wanted to get away from everything, and quickly too. They might return sooner than we think, with out any of the issues of Australia like drought, fires, flooding etc., causing them to return.

JohanB · « **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2011, 07:28:16 AM »

What is the reason for moving to Aus and not another part of NZ? Maybe to get away from it all! Will this not provide a better opportunity for those of us who want to go to NZ to get in easier?

Also saw article in Beeld this morning -
http://www.beeld.com/Wereld/Nuus/Kiwis-trek-oor-aardbewings-20110621

In Mei het sowat 3 300 Nieu-Seelanders na Australië geëmigreer, wat die vorige rekord in 1979 (2 900 per maand) oorskry het, het Statistieke Nieu-Seeland bekend gemaak.

Mnr. Geoff Bascand, ’n regeringstatistikus, het gesê sowat 800 mense van Christchurch het in Mei na Australië verhuis vergeleke met 500 dieselfde tyd verlede jaar.

SA Going to NZ Advice Forum · « **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2011, 07:28:16 AM »

till23 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 22, 2011, 07:53:55 AM »

Just under 25% of the 3300 kiwis leaving in May are from ChCh. The numbers for ChCh rose from 500 May 2010 to 800 in May 2011 - about a 60% increase from ChCh after the quake.

The vast majority of kiwis are not leaving to "get away from it all". They are leaving because the economy is in serious strife and keeping that in mind the answer to your question that it would make it "easier" to get in is not clear cut. What should be seriously considered is the question whether it is wise to move to a country where the economy is such that record numbers are leaving these shores coupled with the decline in immigrants coming to the country.

thombatt · « **Reply #8 on:** June 22, 2011, 08:48:03 AM »

INZ is making it easier.

If you have a look at the EOI selections you will see that currently the criteria for people with less than the magical 140 points has been relaxed and many more applications with less than 140 points are been accepted. (percentage wise)

The percentage of people with a job has also gone down to say 2 years ago.

SaKiwiBoer · « **Reply #9 on:** June 22, 2011, 05:20:45 PM »

Quote from: thombatt on June 22, 2011, 08:48:03 AM

INZ is making it easier.
If you have a look at the EOI selections you will see that currently the criteria for people with less than the magical 140 points has been relaxed and many more applications with less than 140 points are been accepted. (percentage wise)
The percentage of people with a job has also gone down to say 2 years ago.

They'll have to start doing this, otherwise in a very short space in time the economy will be in seriously "hot" water.
Cheers,
SAKB

Tui · « **Reply #10 on:** June 22, 2011, 09:34:35 PM »

Quote from: till23 on June 22, 2011, 07:53:55 AM

Just under 25% of the 3300 kiwis leaving in May are from ChCh. The numbers for ChCh rose from 500 May 2010 to 800 in May 2011 - about a 60% increase from ChCh after the quake.

The vast majority of kiwis are not leaving to "get away from it all". They are leaving because the economy is in serious strife and keeping that in mind the answer to your question that it would make it "easier" to get in is not clear cut. What should be seriously considered is the question whether it is wise to move to a country where the economy is such that record numbers are leaving these shores coupled with the decline in immigrants coming to the country.

Yes, I have heard personally, through my daughters friends, that 4 families in Christchurch (their families) are leaving for OZ.......2 of my DD mates are leaving Tauranga for OZ in the next few weeks....she has just only befriended them, so is very

So that is alone 6 families that I have heard of, myself.....

Wow!!

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Feather · « **Reply #11 on:** June 23, 2011, 05:04:17 AM »

That's only the families that are going to OZ. There families from the school we attend that are going to America, Ireland etc. And I know of others who are giving serious thought to leaving for other areas of the world!

SA Going to NZ Advice Forum · « **Reply #11 on:** June 23, 2011, 05:04:17 AM »

thombatt · « **Reply #12 on:** June 23, 2011, 05:13:19 AM »

I guess the article concentrated on Australia because it is effectively the only country were NZ'ers can go without a visa.

Going to Ireland is a bit like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. Their economy is in dire straights.

But it's worrying if NZ'ers are migrating in such numbers.

Tui · « **Reply #13 on:** June 23, 2011, 06:03:10 AM »

Quote from: Feather on June 23, 2011, 05:04:17 AM

That's only the families that are going to OZ. There families from the school we attend that are going to America, Ireland etc. And I know of others who are giving serious thought to leaving for other areas of the world!

Yes, there are also families going to the UK, I think OZ a popular destination, as mainly, obviously closer. Very sad that Christchurch will be losing a lot of their artisans etc...... $:-\$ Especially the elderly who have to now pack up and leave after spending their entire lives there.

A very sad state of affairs indeed!!

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Rockhopper · « **Reply #14 on:** June 23, 2011, 06:14:07 AM »

NZ Governments have a way of "balancing the books" when it comes to Net migration. Sure the paranoid, hypochondriac NZ media will report doom and gloom, but all that will happen is that Immigration will up their numbers of applications. They will have a close look at current economic situations, and if there is need to boost the economy, they will start "importing".

Granted, things do look a bit bleak at the moment, especially with factories shutting down and government jobs being cut. It is not only Chch that suffers. But I am positive that Chch will survive - there are a lot of resilient people out there that are born and bred Cantabrians and they will NOT leave. This will in turn cause quite some job opportunities.

People will have to look at the longer term here and not just at what is happening now...

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