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Offline Chan in Wellington

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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2012, 08:55:06 AM »
Welcome to the forum.  I lived in Canada for a year and loved it...cold, but lovely and the people.....absolutely amazing, so friendly and helpful.  Same here in NZ, just feel here we have to build up a bit of trust first.
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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2012, 12:53:49 AM »
Hi Chan, I also feel a person first have to earn their trust...but it's cool, I was lucky and fitted in with the Kiwi's almost from day one :) they are fun and seem like if they are your friend that they would be your best friend for life
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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
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Offline Chan in Wellington

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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2012, 08:25:08 AM »
Yes, a very friendly bunch of people...just CANNOT WAIT to start work!!!!
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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2012, 09:11:02 PM »
hehe I hear you... I enjoy working with them.... + when you work everything feels in place again
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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2012, 09:30:19 PM »
Agre with you  O0 I start my new job on Monday and I can't wait- I think it gives you a sense of normality as well

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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2012, 10:57:58 AM »
Shayne thats a very good post and agree 100% with your thoughts and views. Definitely the most accurate thing I have ever read with regards to SA.

I do not have children but fear each and every day. Will I come home to an open house thats empty? Will my family be ok or will someone try hi-jack them and hurt them? Will my mom and dad be ok?
These are not things one should constantly worry about or even think of. It has become a way of life with South Africans and when we hear about anything negative, as long as no one was hurt thats a positive.

To answer the question, get out now! As soon as possible! Move somewhere more civilized where the police and government actually care for the people. Where public servants care about how they can assist others.
Your family and daughter deserves better, in fact everyone who is an honest hard working citizen does.

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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2012, 09:54:52 PM »
Shayne thats a very good post and agree 100% with your thoughts and views. Definitely the most accurate thing I have ever read with regards to SA.

I do not have children but fear each and every day. Will I come home to an open house thats empty? Will my family be ok or will someone try hi-jack them and hurt them? Will my mom and dad be ok?
These are not things one should constantly worry about or even think of. It has become a way of life with South Africans and when we hear about anything negative, as long as no one was hurt thats a positive.

To answer the question, get out now! As soon as possible! Move somewhere more civilized where the police and government actually care for the people. Where public servants care about how they can assist others.
Your family and daughter deserves better, in fact everyone who is an honest hard working citizen does.

So true.  When I think back, I can't believe that I used to lock myself in my bedroom at night with my telephone and pistol next to my bed, and dogs outside as an early warning system.  What a way to live!!! The sad part is that it becomes the norm.
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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2012, 04:08:32 AM »
 :welcome: to the family Shayne.  Very good post.

We have two young children 9 & 7.  They were 4 & 2 when we left.  We were never sure when we would be next to be hit with crime.  Father-in-law had a robbery while he slept.  They burnt a CD outside his window to keep him asleep, cleaned out just about everything, put it in his new car, took his motor bike, helmet and leather jacket.  Neigbourhood watch woke him up at 4:30 to tell him that they had seen his car going down the road, given chase, car abandoned with goods.
Mother-in-law: smash & grab
Brother-in-law: hi-jacked twice.
We both had cars stolen, thankfully we weren't around at the time.

My brother-in-law, the one that was hi-jacked was hi-jaced again this past December for the 3rd time.  This time his family were in seperate cars leaving to take the girls to school then on to work.  They were forced back into their home at gun point.  Tied up.  The two girls were taken to their bedrooms away from their mother who was tied up in the lounge.  BIL was taken up the house at gunpoint to open the safe.  All their documents (for immigration purposes) were stolen, along with other items from the house. Their youngest daughter is 7.  She told her Grandma that the men had silver guns.

This is something we didn't ever want our children to have to go through.

Believe me you are making the right decision to leave SA.




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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2012, 10:21:22 AM »
Hi all.  We have decided (almost 100% sure) to make the move to NZ.  Hubbie is qualified carpenter / joiner (although he is currently more into Production and Operations Management than actual carpentry) and thus have enough points to apply for residency.  Unfortunately it will still take us a while to actually call NZ our home.  Am just so scared to take the plunge and sign up with migration agent (and hand over all that money) while we don't know whether we would be able to afford to live in NZ.  We have family in Christchurch who rather want to move to Australia because NZ is expensive and salaries not that great.  He says you need to earn at least $100,000 a year.  Is this easily obtainable? 
We lived in Dubai for a while and have been back in SA for almost 2 years now and hubbie still haven't been able to find a job!!  But our stint overseas did open my eyes to how life should be.
I agree with you, Shayne.  Our little girl is now 3 years old and so innocent and happy.  I would do anything to keep her like that.  I would love to hear about life in NZ. 

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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2012, 11:52:03 AM »
Hi Knersus,

That $100,000 sounds very high!  Maybe if you want to maintain the same standard of living you had in South Africa, with the big house, flashy cars and garden sevices, yes.

But as far as I can tell, that's the thing about New Zealand: you scale down on all of that, focussing on the other qualities New Zealand affords you, which has been long gone in South-Africa.  Like the freedom to stroll down a deserted beach after sunset, whithout watching your back the whole time.

Maybe the people who're already there can tell me whether  I've got it wrong?
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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2012, 12:42:12 PM »
Hi Knersus, and welcome to the forum  :welcome:

From my research it sounds like $65000 per year is enough for a family of 2 adults and 2 small children to live a moderate lifestyle. If it costs a cent more than that, I will be in trouble when I get there.

Having just applied for PR on my own, I can confidently tell you that if you have a relatively simple background, you probably won't need an agent, nor gain any value from using one. It is really easy and NZ Immigration is very helpful.

Best of luck with whatever you decide.
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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2012, 05:31:10 PM »
Knersus, I think it depends on your family size and your needs, but also on where you will be living in NZ. I have three young kids, and stay at home, so we rely on my husband's salary alone. We are in Auckland, and realistically, for us it would be difficult on less than 100k a year. If you can manage to settle outside of the main cities, the housing costs drop dramatically, and it may be doable on much less.

We hope to buy next year, but for now, rent for a 3 bedroom townhouse/apartment in a good neighborhood within commuting distance of Auckland can easily cost $350-$400 per week. Since my husband is in IT, we need to be near the city, unfortunately. Food costs are our next big expense. We spend easily $350-$400 a week there, too. But, that is eating fish and meats and vegetables, plus some prepared foods. You could get that lower if you eat cheaper foods, but the cost of food is certainly higher than in SA.  Our electricity also runs $150-$250 a month. That still leaves car and petrol expenses, insurance costs, pension contribution, the kids' extracurricular activities and school fees, etc.

That said, we are very happy we made the move. It hasn't always been clear sailing, but it is wonderful to be able to walk around without worrying all of the time, and the countryside is really green and beautiful. After settling in, we're starting to make friends with some lovely neighbors, and my oldest daughter loves her school and friends. Good luck with your move!
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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2012, 05:39:28 PM »
Oh, and ditto about doing it yourself. NZ immigration is very good about answering questions promptly, so you can call and ask if you have questions and hear it directly from them. You can find just about everything you'd need to know on their website, if your case is straightforward.  :) 
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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2012, 04:10:56 PM »
sad but true....my DW needs to read this before she so stubbornly says she's not leaving her family behind and realise that these hard choices are not about her or I but about out little 10month old girl that also has no future in this country!

So sad, but as determined as ever to get out!

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Re: Is staying in SA even an option?
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2012, 12:59:48 AM »
According to the website "censorbugbear" dated 2/04/2012 there are SA who have submitted court applications for political asylum in USA, Canada and Germany. It is going to be very interesting to see if they get that right as only time will tell, but it just goes to show what people are all trying to just get out of SA. When one sees this and the continuous increase in crime in SA then you realise that your
 move was the right one and staying in SA is definitely not an option.  :help:

 

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