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Offline vulpes

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New Zealand is Not Paradise
« on: September 10, 2013, 08:17:51 am »
When you are immigrating, I think one of the biggest factors for success is your level of expectation.

My DH has a great job earning very good money, I don't have to work. My daughter is in a decile 10 school. I live 150m from the beach and park. We have 180 degree views of the bay. We live in one of the best weather areas in the whole of NZ (tauranga) we have a warm and large house with a good garden. I even have a lady who comes in once a week to do the ironing. Basically, we are living an awesome lifestyle in a lovely place.

But, BUT, that doesn't make it any easier to be away from family and friends. It doesn't make you feel less of a foreigner. It doesn't make it easier to make friends. It doesn't make it easier to find your place, the things you will eventually replace all your old favourites with, the toothpaste that won't make your kids cry.

No.

Because immigrating is hard. For a long time. Years.

I am telling you this because if you come with stars in your eyes and the relief that no one is trying to kill you anymore, and hope that will sustain you through this journey, it won't. You need to be realistic about your expectations of your new lives here in NZ. Beyond working out what sort of salary you will get by on, and what shop is similar to woolies (none by the way) and the settling in to a new job etc.

Because knowing that it's going to be hard, and miserable a lot of the time, for sometimes years, will allow you to think of ways to deal with that and strategise so that you do get to be a successful immigrant. Happy, safe, secure, at home.

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Re: New Zealand is Not Paradise
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2013, 08:53:20 am »
A bit of a can of worms this one.
Not going to comment on if it is paradise or not. Like any other country it is not perfect, but it sure is a hell of allot better than SA.
Hang in there, it gets better with time (or so I've been told). Immigration is not for sissies.

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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2013, 09:45:53 am »
Sorry, I should have been clearer. We are doing well because we managed our expectations. We didn't think we were coming to paradise where everything was going to be better. Also, for us it's cheating a little as this is our seventh country so we have experience.

I'm just wanting to balance out all the  :yippee:  :yippee: and  :clap:  :clap: because there are many many thousands (of ALL nationalities) that go through the whole process only to eventually find themselves very disillusioned and miserable, either trapped here or returning home.

It's very easy to dismiss this type of post as 'negative' which it really isn't, rather than taking heed and being prepared.
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Offline Chan in Wellington

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Re: New Zealand is Not Paradise
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2013, 10:01:14 am »
Ita always a matter of opinion. For me, NZ is heaven.
'The only difference between a rut and a grave, is the depth'.

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Re: New Zealand is Not Paradise
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2013, 10:16:42 am »
I appreciate this post....It does help us to prepare for the emotional ride.

When we got the email about our visas there was a link to a website that gives new migrants assistants etc. there was a chart on the site that shows how you will go from a high to a downwords slope and then a real low and then after 2 years go up again! lol im sure its not exactly that way for everyone BUT it really made me feel, okay i have to be prepared for this 'down' and actually have to prepare hubby for this down that they say more woman feel because they miss their family.

So this is good, makes one remember the 'bad' part about it and helps me to prepare for that!

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2013, 12:40:28 pm »
Not paradise?! I want my money back!!  ::)

Offline Chan in Wellington

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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2013, 06:58:16 pm »
Just for the record, not every person gets the lows, we didnt. Every day was a high for me. If things get better after the two year 'notch', then we are in for the ride of our lives. As I sit here typing this, Wellington is experiecing a weather bomb and I am wondering how I am going to get to the bus stop without falling over. Even that will not bring me down, as I always think of what I wanted when we decided to come here and all the fear and negativity I left behind. Every person experiences things differently and for most, it is a long, hard road.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2013, 08:41:12 pm »
Well. I guess we need to define paradise first. It has some challenges and I have been through that a lot but those challenges gave some awesome experience, good social circle and respect. Overall, it was a great journey which helps me a lot professionally.  :flowers:
I am a licensed immigration adviser in real life. I do love what I do and how I do it. Peace!!!

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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2013, 09:08:52 pm »
Chan, so far we haven't had any lows either, but I recognise that a big reason for that, is we were realistic in the first place. Which is what I am trying to pass on to others. The whole point of this forum is to pass on knowledge, not advertise for immigration.
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Re: New Zealand is Not Paradise
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2013, 10:58:24 pm »
Some people still want to find out about 'immigration' but let's move on.

I think it's great to give a balanced view of any country.... it makes for a great discussion and debate. I have yet to find anything which will put anyone off coming here and starting again. Because that is what you do when you leave your 'home', you start again - making friends, buying property, working up the corporate ladder (a lot of us start at the beginning of a sometimes new career) but hells bells, I'm so cool with that. I miss my mother and my brother and his family and my son and a few of my friends who have stayed in touch with me but I have made a life for myself here and so will everyone who has decided 100% to immigrate. No half measures.

To me this is paradise, I love it here and it's home for me  :smitten:




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Re: New Zealand is Not Paradise
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2013, 02:00:11 am »
Vulpes, I had to laugh at your description of your kids crying because they can't get their old toothpaste.  Reminded me of a video that an immigration consultant in in Cape Town gave us, as he was packing up office.  There was a woman who literally had tears in her eyes as she roamed the aisles looking for Jik and eventually found it , under the name Genola.  I laughed so hard. 

Ok, my laughter is over  :2funny: .  I think what this shows you is that some people do indeed find it incredibly difficult to adapt, to make friends, to get used to the new toothpastes and Jenola's. And that is what you were trying to get across.  It can be a huge adaptation .  And for them it is not a laughing matter, it makes them  :'(  .   I think it is because of attitude, and also if you feel that you should be living in SA, you were forced to leave.  Yes, we all were "forced" in a way, but we need to get over it and move on with our lives. 

We have lived in NZ for 3 years, been through the most stressful times of our lives, missed family, ran out of money, had to scrimp and save.  But there was never, ever one day when I thought that I wasn't in paradise.  NEVER.  Almost every day when I drive somewhere, even just to the shops, I feel that I am blessed to live in this wonderful country, warts and all.  I don't feel like a foreigner.  I feel as skiwi as. 

As Vulpes says, be prepared emotionally and you will do alright. 

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Re: New Zealand is Not Paradise
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2013, 03:08:39 am »
Being prepared emotionally is for sure the most important step in the process, I am not saying it was a breeze, but I had my head straight before we even got on the plane.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2013, 04:38:10 am »
Sherelee I am talking about immigration. People want to know how to make it work for them and thier families.

This is not about putting people off. It's about giving people a realistic view and vision of what it is like to immigrate. So that when they take that leap, they are best prepared to be successful at it.

Ironically, I also feel the same way as savayla about living here. I do love it. But paradise isn't a physical place. Paradise is individual to each person.
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Re: New Zealand is Not Paradise
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2013, 04:42:39 am »
Also, I made up the toothpaste thing savayla :-) I was trying to think of a good example!

We actually moved to NZ from the Middle East, not South Africa.
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Re: New Zealand is Paradise
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2013, 05:56:42 am »
Hi Guys,
Experience and how you feel about things is similar to eating food, some people love liver but most do not. As far as countries go I think New Zealand is Paradise but maybe you need to compare it to something. Is South Africa Paradise, obviously not, because of the number of people fleeing from there. Is the USA paradise not necessarily depends where you live in the USA and if you have a job or not. But there are some great places in the USA but they also have their problems. Is Europe paradise, well no, some cities have up to 50% unemployment. I was in Italy, Rome, in June and I certainly do not think it is paradise it has nearly more problems than South Africa. But each to their own. Some people think paradise is on an Island with a lovely blond. What do you talk about after the first week. No TV, no books, no intellectual stimulation I would be bored after 2 weeks. I love New Zealand and I think it is paradise. I have travelled and spent time in many countries all over the world and this is as close to paradise you can get. I have been here for 17 years and each night I go home and can see the sea, from the top of Glenvar Road & Rangitoto Island I pray to God to say thanks for bringing me here to my paradise.
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