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Title: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Rhodan on November 26, 2007, 12:47:09 am
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ANC deputy president Jacob Zuma leads the race for nominations for the post of party president with five provinces supporting him, to President Thabo Mbeki's four, SABC news reported on Sunday.

Zuma got overwhelming support from Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal on Sunday evening.

In KwaZulu-Natal Zuma got 580 votes, Mbeki nine. In Gauteng Zuma walked away with 263 votes, Mbeki 94.

Zuma also garnered support from Mpumalanga, the Free State and the Northern Cape. The ANC Youth League last week gave him their backing as well.

Mbeki won nominations the Eastern and Western Cape, Limpopo and the North West.

Zuma received a total of 2 270 votes and Mbeki 1 396, the SABC reported.

Chaos in KZN

ANC spokespersonn Tiyani Rikhotso said the official results would be released on Monday, when the ANC Women's League would also announce its nomination.

The SABC reported that the KwaZulu-Natal nomination process erupted in chaos at the party's general council meeting in Durban.

Delegates were reportedly bitterly divided over the removal of provincial Premier S'bu Ndebele and others seen as Mbeki loyalists from the list.

"The results (so far) provide the first hard indication of how people are voting in the ANC," political analyst Steven Friedman told Sapa on Sunday afternoon.

It was the "hardest information" to date on how the 4 075 ANC voting delegates would cast their secret ballots at the party's national conference in Polokwane, Limpopo, next month.

Independent political analyst Lawrence Schlemmer said the results were a "serious indication" of how things would go in Polokwane.

Early election?

"There's a rough rule that applies: If your branch has decided, by a majority vote, the candidates who should be favoured, people... are under an obligation to carry that particular preference through to their final vote.

"It exercises... considerable leverage on the preferences of individuals.

"I wouldn't say it's necessarily a good, hard indication (of how ANC delegates will vote in Polokwane), but I'd say it was a serious (one)... it's a serious indication, is how I would see it," he said.

Asked if he thought Mbeki would call an early general election should he lose to Zuma, Schlemmer said he did not think this would happen.

"No, I don't think it will happen. It's not really in South Africa's political culture to be that responsive to the democratic climate.

"I think he (Mbeki) will hold out to see if he can't use the last months to increase his leverage and bargaining power," he said.

Friedman said he thought Mbeki would be under pressure to call an early election under these circumstances.

"I think... he (Mbeki) would be under pressure to call an early election, because it would create tensions. It would create problems within government; it would, I think, make his own position difficult.

"Whether he would actually do that or not, I don't know. Certainly there would be pressure to hold an election so you don't have a situation where the president of the country and the president of the party are different people... and political rivals," he said.

Economic policy

On Zuma becoming party president and moving on to become president of South Africa, and the impact this might have on investors, Friedman said that in the event of a Zuma presidency, he did not think there would be a "significant shift" in economic policy.

"Zuma has said this repeatedly. As far as the way in which investors would... respond, my guess is that... there could be a bit of a re-run of what happened when Trevor Manuel became finance minister.

"I think there will be a sharp reaction from investors initially, but I think that will calm down. He (Zuma) is already on a charm offensive to business; I would expect him to continue that."

Friedman said he did not think Zuma was as harsh towards big business as business thought he was.

"That's why I think that if he does become president of the country, I think he would mend fences with business very quickly," he said.

SACP, Cosatu

Schlemmer, asked if he though there might be a sharp reaction from investors in the event of Zuma becoming president of the ANC, and president of the country, said he did not think so, but expected there would be some change in economic policy.

In this regard, Zuma would be "constantly reminded that the SA Communist Party and the trade union movement, whether officially or otherwise, have been on his side".

That meant some things would definitely change.

"I would imagine... there'll be somewhat more reserve in the naked enrichment of party insiders, the way it's happening at the moment... I think that will have to be tempered, because it's not popular in the trade union movement."

Schlemmer sounded one warning.

"One of the things that is a real danger... is that there'll be very, very heavy pressure on the Governor of the Reserve Bank not to raise interest rates, and we may see investors becoming nervous about inflation," he said.

'Neck-and-neck finish'

Last week, University of Cape Town politics lecturer Zwelethu Jolobe told Sapa he believed that in the event of a two-way contest between Mbeki and Zuma, it was likely to be a neck-and-neck finish.

The only other time in the ANC's history where there had been a close finish was in 1940, where Dr AB Xuma won the presidency by one vote, he said.

However, the looming threat of corruption charges against Zuma could give Mbeki an edge in the last lap.

He was not convinced that Zuma, who had suffered a "damaging" two years since his dismissal as deputy president of the country, could win against an incumbent who did not face the same pressures from the legal system, and whose macro-economic policies were "very secure".

Source (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2227432,00.html)
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Badprop on November 26, 2007, 06:13:03 am
Ek het 'n hol kol op my maag.  Die areme mense wat hier agter bly.
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Eileen on November 26, 2007, 06:23:48 am
Ek is met jou Cranky........ Voel eintlik siek! :censored:
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: SaKiwiBoer on November 26, 2007, 10:04:41 am
H K G K - pak daai tassies, los wat nie inpas nie en KOM !!!  :knuppel2: :knuppel2: :knuppel2:  :tickedoff:
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Cameleon on November 26, 2007, 05:20:10 pm
 :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: SaKiwiBoer on November 27, 2007, 02:00:41 am
now i firmly believe south africa is heading down the same road as Zim.
Ladies and Gentleman, without me sounding like a raving lunatic, I believe Zim was only a trial. This is only the beginning, we aint seen nothing yet.....  >:( get out ASAP !!!
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: TheRindels on November 27, 2007, 04:29:09 am
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It's not really in South Africa's political culture to be that responsive to the democratic climate.

Now that has got to be the quote of the year. A really nice way to say that the polictician actually don't give a  :censored: about the people...  :tickedoff:
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Badprop on November 27, 2007, 06:23:58 am
I am worried about the people stuck here who want to but can't leave.  They don't have the education needed, don't have the finances and aren't on the ssl.  Single mom's with kids that are stuck here, poor folks I have spoken to, you can see the fear for the future in their eyes, but they have no where to go.  Those are the people and children I really feel for.  The ones who can get out and don't I have no sympathy for.
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Shirls on November 27, 2007, 12:16:35 pm
When we saw this on the news last night, we both said out loud thank  :censored: we are getting out of here.
We knew this was going to happen and that it is tickets for SA if he comes into power.

Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: WendyH on November 27, 2007, 12:50:10 pm
I am worried about the people stuck here who want to but can't leave.  They don't have the education needed, don't have the finances and aren't on the ssl.  Single mom's with kids that are stuck here, poor folks I have spoken to, you can see the fear for the future in their eyes, but they have no where to go.  Those are the people and children I really feel for.  The ones who can get out and don't I have no sympathy for.

Ditto here in Zim
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Nolan on November 27, 2007, 09:22:19 pm
for me it makes no difference who leads the ANC, they are all a bunch of communist trained terrorists who only know how to kill, steal and sabotage, so no one is a better choice than the other - only a worse choice.
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Feather on November 29, 2007, 04:27:40 am
People I know who went to SA from Zim at least 20+ years ago have all said that SA has gone down quicker than Zim.  And now it is on a fast track down hill.

I think of my family and in-laws who are still in SA, my parents on pension - no one wants them, my sister can't see the problems, brother-in-law with a child who is mentally challenged, and my mother-in-law who can't leave till her own mother has passed on... and that could be a long way away.   :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Badprop on November 29, 2007, 06:17:11 am
5 years seems like a long time, but once you have citizenship you can work at getting your parents out.  That is the only thought I hang onto when I look at the people we leaving behind.  I am going to do my best to bring those out that can't do it on their own, like my sis in law.
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Shirls on November 29, 2007, 07:29:38 am
Hi Gwen,

Correct me if I am wrong, but you don't need citizenship to sponsor.... You only have to have been resident for 3 years. I know that my sister would have had her residency for 3 years in May next year, and she is going to sponsor my mom then. She got her citizenship in December last year.
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Feather on November 29, 2007, 07:31:49 am
Shirls you are correct.  We are hoping that next year May my brother will be able to sponsor my folks to move.  He will have had his residence for 3 years by then.  We have had ours for 1 year now.
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Badprop on November 29, 2007, 07:38:28 am
Thanks for correcting me.  Great news  :clap:
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: dance on December 01, 2007, 06:31:38 am
Well that's what we will have to do. My Mom is too old and my brother does not have the education. Just hope that they will want to come over. At least I then will havetreid my best. Now if only we could hurry up and get that elusive PR the more I listen to the news the more antsy I get. I tend to not listen anymore. DH says I suffer from ostrich syndrome however I prefer to not be told ad nauseum what I already know. SA is definately sliding faster  than Zim and having gone through it there already I see all the signs.
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Nolan on December 03, 2007, 09:32:12 am
couldn't agree more Dance. This place gives me the jitters big time.
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Jax on December 03, 2007, 06:04:32 pm
Yip,

It's depressing the idea of whats happening around us these days!  Best thing you can do for yourself is not to read the news anymore... I don't...  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: ANTONK on December 03, 2007, 07:47:22 pm
Agree Nolan we need to get out of here very quickly.
Title: Zuma elected leader of South Africa's ANC
Post by: Rhodan on December 19, 2007, 06:46:50 am
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President Thabo Mbeki was humiliatingly toppled on Tuesday from the helm of the ANC by arch rival Jacob Zuma, the man he sacked as deputy head of state two years ago.

After a bitter election contest which saw some of Mbeki's chief lieutenants booed and heckled at an ongoing conference, Zuma was formally declared the winner by a margin of 824 votes.

"The number of votes received by Comrade Thabo Mbeki was 1 505. The number of votes received by Comrade Jacob Zuma is 2 329," Dren Nupen, head of the party's elections commission announced.

Mbeki then hugged Zuma and delegates erupted into chants of "ANC, ANC".

Victory caps a remarkable political comeback for the scandal-plagued Zuma, who still faces the prospect of being charged with corruption.

The 65-year-old was sacked by Mbeki as deputy head of state in 2005 when his financial advisor was jailed for fraud and later stood trial for raping a family friend less than half his age.

Although he was acquitted, he was widely ridiculed for testifying he had showered after sex with his HIV-positive accuser in order to prevent infection.

Mbeki aloof, authoritarian

Given the ANC's large majority in parliament, Zuma would normally almost be guaranteed the job of state president come elections in 2009 after his victory in the internal contest.

But he faces being charged with corruption after losing a recent court bid to have a series of search warrants declared illegal.

While Mbeki has two years left as state president, his authority has been badly undermined by the defeat, with some commentators predicting he could face efforts by Zuma's camp to force him out of office early.

Although Mbeki, also 65, can point to an uninterrupted period of growth, unemployment is unofficially estimated to be around 40%.

Many analysts believe however that Mbeki's defeat was more as a result of his aloof and authoritarian style which had alienated many in his party rather than a firm vote of confidence in Zuma.

"Mbeki lost for a lot of reasons (but) the main reason is the question of leadership style," said Steven Friedman of the Pretoria-based Institute for Democracy in South Africa.

"He irritated a lot of people. Some of that you have to do when you are in power. But much of it could have been avoided."

Kgalema Motlanthe, the outgoing secretary-general who will now serve as Zuma's deputy, denied there were disagreements over policies which he said were reached by consensus at a five-yearly conference which was last held in June.

"We have communists in our ranks, we have hard-nosed capitalists in our ranks. To keep them together... through engagement and persuasion we agree on a consensus position," he told reporters shortly before the result was announced.

Source (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2240787,00.html)
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: jafa77 on December 19, 2007, 06:49:26 am
Made TVNZ news again tonight. What a joke SA is becoming!!!! The world is watching. Hopefully all those liberals from the 80s will see how wrong they were about black majority rule!
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Badprop on December 19, 2007, 07:12:58 am
The final nail in the coffin has been placed.  Watch the currency over the next week. 
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Didi77 on December 19, 2007, 09:02:10 am
 :'(

Oh my country.
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Smallfly on December 19, 2007, 09:49:32 am
The final nail in the coffin has been placed.  Watch the currency over the next week. 

Bad news for us still in the "worsmasjien",............ the currency thing !!

Now we will have another president who calls his citizens urinals (pee-pools)
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Didi77 on December 19, 2007, 10:02:31 am
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Now we will have another president who calls his citizens urinals (pee-pools)

 :2funny:
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Rhodan on December 19, 2007, 10:03:05 am
So is the national anthem "Bring me my machine gun" yet ?
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Smallfly on December 19, 2007, 10:57:18 am
Maybe now we will have another president nominated for the nobel peace prize



for inventing antiretroviral showergell :heeha:
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Didi77 on December 19, 2007, 01:08:42 pm
 :2funny:

You guys crack me up.

Showerjel indeed... :)
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Badprop on December 19, 2007, 01:27:06 pm
 :2funny:

antiretroviral showergell.... now with scrub and moisturizer included, for that extra clean and 'soft' feeling.
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Didi77 on December 19, 2007, 02:03:02 pm
 ;D >:D :2funny: soft???? LOL
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: ANTONK on December 19, 2007, 05:30:48 pm
 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: WELL SAID "SHOWERGELL" - NEW WATER PROOF AVAILABLE SOON - 2010  :whistle:
Title: What traffic rules...?
Post by: Rhodan on December 19, 2007, 06:42:12 pm
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The life expectancy of ordinary motorists in the Polokwane area has probably dropped significantly since the start of the African National Congress' conference there at the weekend.

The armada of big black bodyguard bakkies that rush the scores of party bigwigs to and from the conference has created its own set of traffic rules.

The drivers apparently believe that if they flash their blue lights and drive very fast, they have right of way - even at an intersection where the traffic lights are red against them.

This holds even when they are not escorting VIPs.

And it works: a Ford Fiesta was seen shooting an intersection with emergency flickers flashing and the vehicle was not pulled over - although it was late at night, and there were no traffic cops around.

Speed limits have become little more than a quaint notion.

On Wednesday morning, an ordinary police van on its way to the conference, raced down the road at something close to 140km/h.

The conference is being held at the University of Limpopo, some 30km from Polokwane town, where most of the VIP delegates are staying.

Driving on the single-lane tar road past the university has proved particularly dangerous for delegates after conference adjourns for the night.

Then, to avoid sitting in the slow crawl of delegates heading back to Polokwane, the big black bakkies simply take over the oncoming lane, forcing all other vehicles onto the verge.

Source (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2241129,00.html)
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: dance on December 20, 2007, 05:39:04 am
There goes the neighbourhood sans showergel of course.
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: zatexnz on December 20, 2007, 09:01:39 am
Made TVNZ news again tonight. What a joke SA is becoming!!!! The world is watching. Hopefully all those liberals from the 80s will see how wrong they were about black majority rule!

NZ might be watching, but mostly the world is no longer interested in SA.  They got what they wanted in the early 90's and now they've turned their attention elsewhere..
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Smallfly on December 20, 2007, 09:36:36 am
Made TVNZ news again tonight. What a joke SA is becoming!!!! The world is watching. Hopefully all those liberals from the 80s will see how wrong they were about black majority rule!

NZ might be watching, but mostly the world is no longer interested in SA.  They got what they wanted in the early 90's and now they've turned their attention elsewhere..

I disagree, and this is my opinion, if you dont share my centiments,so be it.

The money mongers of the world, had to have south Africa with a corruptable government

in order to get their hands on the mineral wealth without having to go to war to do it.

The method to obtain this is to lend them as much as possible,

and when the economy is growing at top speed beeing fertilised with borrowed money,

you start demanding payback and economic collapse is unavoidable.

So now you make noises of writing off the debt in exchange for the mineral wealth,

wich is already state owned, because that was the first thing your advisors told them to do.

Only problem is, China was lending much more and much faster than anglo american

and their partners !

It was on the news last week or the week before,

not exactly sure when, that the deficit on the national account is the highest since 1982,

and the very next day, the european union are very concerned at the rate of wich China

is aquiring mining rights of specifically coal and diamonds in sub sahara africa.

I think the closing bell is ringing for South Africa, but nobody is listening.

Why do I say so ?

The interest rates is going up again in January, why ?

The interest rate hikes of the past year or so is touching the consumers purse,

so they lend more money to repay debt, paying credit cards with credit cards etc,

so the personal debt per capita increases, something the government is

trying to decrease by hiking interest rates.

This in turn makes less money available for personal  savings,

 increasing the national deficit, wich increases inflation and so forth.

Adding to this the communist way of thinking of Zuma,

wich discourages foreign investment and the future looks even bleaker.

To sum it up...........

THE END IS NIGH !!!!!!
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: zatexnz on December 21, 2007, 01:01:48 am
That is very interesting... thanks!  Forgive my ignorance.. I guess I've been out of Africa too long to be intimately aware of these things.  :blush:
Title: Re: Zuma leads ANC nomination race
Post by: Shirls on December 21, 2007, 10:38:48 am
Having watched the markets this week, it would appear to be "ok" for now. Yes they did fall with a bang on Wednesday, but so did world markets. And it is up 2.2% this morning.... I very much doubt that this will be the trend for next year!

What really peeves me off, is that some idiots are still saying it will be ok, there is too much riding on 2010.... blah blah blah!
I just took another gulp of wine to shut up!

Will the last person to leave please turn off the lights.... oh wait sorry load shedding not to worry!