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Title: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: minette on February 12, 2008, 02:33:08 pm
Not sure about the full details of the story I heard, but will see on the news tonight. My herb shop and nursery is on a property that is one house away from the garage where this took place this morning - apparently a girl (8yrs or 13yrs old) was shot today (head/back) and killed when she and her mother stopped at the garage's quick shop to get something before she went to school for the day...... As far as I understand the garage or the quick shop was being robbed by armed men when this took place.

This is a block away from where I live...

Understandably my husband was terrified of me going to work today with our little girl (almost 2yrs old) and the shock of it all happened at a place that I frequent almost on a daily basis..... I was feeling very uncomfortable indeed.

I've gotten used to (wrongly so, but then again) to all the thefts happening in South Africa and even in our suburb - but that the violent crimes are now moving into this area is very scary.

Just underscored my decision to go to NZ.
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: hadenough on February 12, 2008, 02:47:44 pm
This is so sad! Her life hasn't even started.  It makes me feel sick! And life just carries on, but at least some of us are trying to get out of here! O0
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: minette on February 12, 2008, 08:00:14 pm
My initial info was a bit skewed, but not that it makes it any worse or better, the poor girl still ended up dead. Here is the intro paragraph to the story as it is on news24:

"Johannesburg - A teenage schoolgirl was killed by a stray bullet fired during a shootout between robbers and security guards at a house in Fairlands, Johannesburg, on Tuesday morning, said police." more on the following link: http://www.sagoingtonz.co.nz/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=2020.0;num_replies=1
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: Didi77 on February 12, 2008, 10:25:23 pm
I walked my little girl to school this morning and a man came to me saying "please be carefull, it is not safe for your girl to walk this stretch alone" - I replied "off course - it is terribly dangerous -  you get such monsters these days and life is not worth anything to anyone anymore" . The man looked at me as if I mad and replied: "lady, I don't know where you come from but I was referring to the contruction of the new sidewalk, I was worried she strayed into the road"

Such is the moments I remember why I am here... O0
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: SaKiwiBoer on February 12, 2008, 10:36:04 pm
Thanx Didi77, when I read the first post from Minnette I got cross because I don't like hearing things like this, it cheezes me off totally that we had to "abandom" our "country" that guys fought for and died for, and what for? Nothing!! And then I read your post and it brought a smile to my face and a chuckle to my heart because this is what we are "becoming"... normal human beings like we all were before, remember many moon's ago? ? When we were kids. Thanx again, C-ya on Saturday, Cheers,  8) , SAKB.
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: Cameleon on February 12, 2008, 10:59:45 pm
Oh man! I am boiling!  :tickedoff: Good thing I made my mind long ago to leave! Did you guys in NZ hear our cleva guavament's plan to let our kids say a pledge to the guavament daily in schools!  :tickedoff: As if ou kids, or us, for that matter had anything to do with apartheid. Gmf - recognising the injustices....***!  :tickedoff:

here goes:
Pandor unveils school pledge
12/02/2008 15:50  - (SA) 
   

Cape Town - A pledge the government intended having all school children recite during morning assembly was unveiled by Education Minister Naledi Pandor on Tuesday.

Based on the preamble of the Constitution, it was "intended to internalise those values we as South Africans have thought to be important", Pandor told a media briefing in Cape Town.

The matter was first raised by President Thabo Mbeki in his State of the Nation Address on Friday.

Pandor said it would be open for public comment "to see if we can live with it" and, depending on the response, children could be heard reciting it by mid-March.

"Those are universal values that you would want any human being to attach themselves to."

Asked if she envisaged objections by parents, she said she hadn't heard of a single South African who had wanted to "opt out" of the Constitution.

She said there would always be people who found fault and "will say that Nkosi Sikelel' i Afrika should be in Polish, etcetera".

"I would be really surprised if people don't want to (recite it). It speaks to the values we want to have our young people take up."

She said it would be recited at assemblies "and even in class" and that children should be encouraged to recite and memorise it.

One journalist jokingly asked whether it would be translated into tsotsi taal (gangster slang). Beeld newspaper offered to publish it and invite readers to send in Afrikaans translations.

The pledge reads: "We the youth of South Africa, recognising the injustices of our past, honour those who suffered and sacrificed for justice and freedom.

"We will respect and protect the dignity of each person, and stand up for justice.

"We sincerely declare that we shall uphold the rights and values of our Constitution and promise to act in accordance with the duties and responsibilities that flow from these rights."

source: http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2269309,00.html
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: SaKiwiBoer on February 12, 2008, 11:09:17 pm
Ja Mags, NO COMMENT, Laat hulle aan ***. We're out of there. TGFSM. Heard we will be seeing you guys here shortly? Congrats. Cheers,  8) , SAKB.
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: Cameleon on February 12, 2008, 11:12:45 pm
I am so thankful my kids won't have to put up with this rubbish!

Soon, swaer..... soon!  O0
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: travelite on February 12, 2008, 11:45:12 pm
Hi Guys.......there is a thread here somewhere asking how SA'ns are coping in NZ. Well, let me tell you, I am no longer coping here in SA. Since hearing of the senseless death of this school child this morning, I've been in tears. Been crying my eyes out all damn day! And then - tonight - hearing about this 'pledge'. What a load of hogwash!! All just too much to bear! NO, I am not coping. And - what must one do for a decent night's sleep? Our dogs were going crazy for hours last night. Still don't know why....there was no way I was going outside to take a look!!
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: Didi77 on February 12, 2008, 11:53:47 pm
Travell I know  - remember that all to well in SA.

No dog barking in NZ. Reason? There is no skelms to bark at and no dogs to do the barking!  ;) I still can not get used to how quiet it is here in the suburbs at night (except for the boy racers... they can drive one up the wall in some areas...  ::))
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: SaKiwiBoer on February 13, 2008, 05:11:54 am
TGFSM, no boyracers where we stay, yet.... :clap: , Cheers,  8) , SAKB
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: minette on February 13, 2008, 07:05:23 am
Sorry guys, I saw my link to news24 somehow got mixed up with reverting back to the same post .. blonde moment. Anyway, if you search on news24 you can find the article, but as all other murder/hijacking/robbery stories, it just depresses you more.

I cannot believe the pledge....no more to say.....actually - and this happens VERY RARELY - I'm speechless.

Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: ANTONK on February 13, 2008, 06:51:39 pm
All the more reason to get out of here - at fast  :tickedoff:
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: minette on February 13, 2008, 10:19:51 pm
Was thinking about the "pledge" they propose and the first line seriously has me confused and angry. As I see it, it will be a constant reminder TO HATE EACH OTHER, not a plea for any kind of "let's all live happily under the beautiful rainbow of our nation"....

"We the youth of South Africa, recognising the injustices of our past, honour those who suffered and sacrificed for justice and freedom." (as below)

Does that not simply say to the so-called oppressed - you better keep BLAMING AND HATING because of "past injustices".....and to the apparent oppressors that they should continue to feel ASHAMED AND GUILTY for these "past injustices"......

It has been 14 years already since "reconciliation" and the children going to school today could possibly not give a rat's behind for all this political mayhem of the current state of affairs - yet they will be BRAINWASHED AND INDOCTRINATED to either feel that they are the "bad guys" or that they are "owed something".

If I had to write the pledge it would SIMPLY have been something to this extent:

"We, the children of South Africa, pledge to respect our fellow human being and our planet and to be the best citizens that we can be for our country"
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: SaKiwiBoer on February 13, 2008, 10:26:11 pm
Hear, hear, I second your pledge before I second that *** wipe's pledge. Yours makes more sence, I think. Cheers,  8) , SAKB.
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: dance on February 14, 2008, 05:04:02 am
Agree SAKB. When Nikki heard what they were going to have to recite daily she just said no way in hell. I owe no one anything least of all the freedom fighters!!!
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: hadenough on February 14, 2008, 08:05:14 am
I can also see Tanna standing with her jaw clamped firmly shut while the pledge is recited.  There is no WAY she will support it  >:D Just hope she keeps it shut and doesn't air her views on it! That could cause problems for her!! :crazy2:
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: Didi77 on February 14, 2008, 08:08:12 am
Quote
We, the children of South Africa, pledge to respect our fellow human being and our planet and to be the best citizens that we can be for our country"

Agreed! I will say that 3 times a day, and before I go to bed!

 O0
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: Eileen on February 14, 2008, 09:51:43 am
"We the youth of South Africa, recognising the injustices of our past, honour those who suffered and sacrificed for justice and freedom." (as below)
:tickedoff:
Definitely a load of hogwash!! Thank God I wont be putting my kids through that!!!!
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: Nolan on February 14, 2008, 10:54:15 am
There is only one pledge they need to recite : "I pledge to stop stealing from and killing my fellow man and pledge to work for my money like a civilised human being"
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: hadenough on February 14, 2008, 10:55:52 am
 O0
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: tandl on February 14, 2008, 02:52:42 pm
  :2funny: :whistle:
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: ANTONK on February 14, 2008, 04:57:50 pm
 O0 Nolan
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: Badprop on February 14, 2008, 08:01:12 pm
There is no way my kids will be brain washed with this sh!t. they were in a Afrikaans skool.... yes they do still exist... wil find out what they are doing about this hogwash and come back to you.  Can't see them saying this at the opening of school.
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: Didi77 on February 15, 2008, 12:39:10 am
They will say it in Afrikaans off course:

"Ons die jonk suid afrika, onthou die binne justisie van julle gisters,en is nou bang vir die wat hard gewerk het in my ma se kombuis"
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: Feather on February 15, 2008, 04:21:53 am
Boy am I glad that we are out of there!!!   This type of thing makes me  :tickedoff:  :knuppel2:
Only wish that my sister would see the light and move
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: Cameleon on February 15, 2008, 06:51:26 am
Sorry Guys, I couldn't find this article in Eng - Maybe news24 will catch up on this story. It's, basicly, about giving Governments schools no space to refuse the pledge. And that after Pandor said it would be voluntary! gmf!!!

Staatskole min ruimte om eed te weier: Jordan
Feb 15 2008 12:42:44:157AM  - (SA) 
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K aapstad. – Openbare skole sal waarskynlik min ruimte hê om nie aan die voorgestelde eed van getrouheid vir leerlinge te voldoen nie, het dr. Pallo Jordan, minister van kuns en kultuur, gesê.

Jordan het gister vrae beantwoord op ’n media-inligtingsessie by die parlement.

Gevra watter stappe teen skole gedoen sal word wat weier om die eed af te lê, het Jordan gesê hy is nie seker wat die onderwysdepartement beplan ten opsigte van nakoming en onwilligheid nie.

“Ek sal aanneem dat daar in openbare skole baie min ruimte sal wees vir onwilligheid. Daar mag dalk ruimte wees in private skole, maar ek is nie seker nie.”

Jordan het sy stelling gemaak ten spyte van me. Naledi Pandor, minister van onderwys, se vroeëre versekering dat die opsê van die eed elke kind se persoonlike keuse sal wees.

Pandor het gesê sy kan nie dink dat enige kind nie die eed sal wil aflê nie, want dit is ten diepste op die Grondwet gegrond. Pres. Thabo Mbeki het Vrydag in sy staatsrede die eed aangekondig as deel van nasiebou.

Jordan het gesê baie van die negatiewe kommentaar op die eed is “oningelig”.

“Die twee reëls in die voorgestelde bewoording van die eed wat groot ontevredenheid ontlok het, is direk uit die Grondwet aangehaal.

“Ek verstaan nie die logika daaraan om die Grondwet te onderskryf en dit in die eed te verwerp nie. Dalk is dit ’n aanduiding van die graad waartoe mense nie weet wat die Grondwet eintlik sê nie.”

Intussen het die VF+ gister ’n veldtog teen die skole-eed aangekondig.

Dr. Pieter Mulder, VF+-leier, het gesê sy party “vind dit skokkend dat die regering, wat verpligte godsdiensonderrig, skriflesing en gebed in skole uitgefaseer het, kinders nou wil blootstel aan hul verwronge ideologie”.

Hy meen die eed herinner aan gewoontes onder Nazisme en kommunisme.

Hy het veral uitgewys dat baie kinders nou blootgestel word aan negatiewe gevolge van regstellende aksie en misdaad.

Voorts sal ouers, skole en leerlinge aangemoedig word om nie die eed af te lê nie.

Die party sal ook ’n petisie teen die eed versprei.

Volgens mnr. Alfred Mpontshane, IVP-LP, steun dié party die idee van ’n eed, maar op sekere voorwaardes:

“Die bewoording moet gepas wees vir die ontwikkelende ouderdom van leerlinge en vry wees van ideologie en moet die steun van alle rolspelers geniet. Die doel daarvan moet nasiebou, maatskaplike samehorigheid en die inskerping van ’n kultuur van menseregte wees.”

source: http://www.news24.com/Beeld/Suid-Afrika/0,,3-975_2271188,00.html
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: Eileen on February 15, 2008, 07:44:07 am
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Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: Feather on February 15, 2008, 10:19:34 am
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Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: SaKiwiBoer on February 15, 2008, 10:32:09 am
I know when I see ***, and I know when I see mud, and this is not MUD.
My daughter that is still in SA will, as sure as I'm in NZ, get in to *** for this. She cannot or will not, keep her pretty little mouth shut. I therefor see sumting but "not mud" in the future. O am I glad I am not in SA. Sumting is about to hit the fan.  ::) ,  :whistle: ,  :heeha: ,
Cheerie baai,  8) , SAKB. 
Title: Re: Schoolgirl shot dead
Post by: ANTONK on February 15, 2008, 05:42:23 pm
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