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Getting Started => Look, See and Decide Trips - LSD => Topic started by: Nolan on April 07, 2010, 10:02:19 pm

Title: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Nolan on April 07, 2010, 10:02:19 pm
As there are a lot of new guys exploring their options at the moment, I think it's time to give all those considering the Cowboy route a reminder.

Before you decide to pack up your whole life to come over to NZ to find that crucial job, first stop to consider :

What if we come here and don't find work and have to leave again, will we be able to :

1) Have enough money left to survive for another year or two in SA without work, because finding work in SA again is gonna be just as tough.
2) What will we do to restart our lives back in SA again. Where will we stay, what will we do for transport, where will the kids go to school, etc.

It has been said a million times before, but let's say it again :

Coming to NZ cowboy style, ie., selling everything and coming over on holiday to find work so you will have enough points to officially emigrate,
IS BY FAR THE BIGGEST RISK YOU WILL EVER TAKE.
and you RUN THE RISK OF LOSING EVERYTHING if things don't work out.

Two years ago when the world economy was booming it was a very viable option, with guys getting jobs sometimes within days of landing.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE NOW

Some folks have been here for months and found nothing, not even an interview!!!
Plan and think very carefully before you go this route.

I would suggest only considering this route if :

1) You have enough money to support the whole family here for 12 months, plus another 24 months back in SA. This gives you enough time to rebuild your life back in SA if things do go pear shaped.

2) You already have keen interest in your CV and possibly a few interviews arranged from SA. Things don't generally happen as quick as we want them when emigrating, the same goes for jobs. The employer needs time to see all the applicants, weed out the chancers, re-interview the good ones, sometimes even a third round of interviews take place, then decide who to employ. This doesn't happen in a week, it can take more than a month or even two. You would need to be here during that time. A two week trip to NZ is NOT going to secure you a job, a three month or more trip may.

3) You know that the job will qualify you PR, for that info visit the immigration NZ website. Not just any job counts for immigration purposes, some jobs are more equal than others. Otherwise you may come here, find work and find that it doesn't even qualify you for a WP.

4) You have the guts to go out and knock on employers doors face to face. You can't come here and look for jobs on the Internet, you could have done that in SA. You will have to get up off your butt and go LOOKING for work door to door. If you can't do that, then don't bother coming because you are wasting your time and money.

5) You may not find work in the town you want, you will have to be prepared to look for work and work anywhere in the beginning.

6) You realise that NZ doesn't owe you anything and you are not special enough to get preferential treatment or handed a job. Kiwis don't understand the dire situation in SA and to be honest, they probably don't really give a damn because it doesn't affect them and they quite simply can't comprehend that people can do the things they do in SA. You will need to eat humble pie and climb in the queue just like everybody else.

7) Realise that if things don't work out, it is not NZ's fault, but yours. There ARE jobs, not as many as before, but the employers are still employing, so you can find work if you look hard enough.

Forewarned is forearmed  O0

:gl:
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: ronaldd on April 07, 2010, 10:09:14 pm
I would love to know what prompted this thread:D  Something happen to someone you know , recently?

Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: thombatt on April 07, 2010, 10:10:26 pm
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Post by: thombatt on April 08, 2010, 12:00:53 am
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Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Clarikdeens on April 08, 2010, 12:53:09 am
I have not spoken to Nolan about this post but if you think about it, it is a very practical bit of advice.
Yes, we have a very good example of it in our own family.

The world situation is NOT the same as it was a few years back. The economy went for a loop and it will still be some time time before it will be back to "normal" again. It is under these circumstances that anyone contemplating coming over to NZ, or any other country for that matter, to do very careful homework. Remember that anything that happens to you, or has happened to you, good or bad, has been as a result of a series of decisions that YOU have taken. All Nolan is doing is to not get anyone on this forum to take hasty decisions that will have a devastating effect(s) on their life.

Any hasty decision made that will perhaps result in you having to return to SA against your will  can result in a lifelong regret.

I certainly hope your decision(s) will be a wise one.
Please, don't burn your bridges before you have crossed over.

I suppose that if you have the means for sustaining yourself for a good period of time then the above advice will not apply to you. :gl: Take it from one who knows.
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: thombatt on April 08, 2010, 03:32:35 am
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Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Awa on April 10, 2010, 08:52:43 am
Just to add.  I have over 12 years experience in SA and more than a year NZ experience with an open work visa in my pocket and have recently decided to try and change jobs - no such luck folks!   Out of all the jobs I applied for I only got one phone call and it was for much less money than I would make a change for.  There are jobs out there but the Kiwis are picky and they are not rushed into anything.   Some jobs have up to 3 interviews before you get the nod or the shake!  It can literaly take months - that is if you are lucky enough to even get the interview in the first place.  Things are definitely tougher and the last thing we want to see is Saffers having to go back to SA - so follow Nolan's advice!
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Shirls on April 10, 2010, 11:31:35 am
Great idea to hammer home the point again Nolan.

Immigration has changed the playing field so much in the last 2 years, that I doubt we would get in now - even though my hubby has a trade etc!

I have a friend who is coming over in the next month - on the promise by an "agent" that she and her hubby will find jobs! Neither of them are on the SSL, or have the right qualifications!! I have talked until I am blue in the face, but she knows better!

Case in point re the jobs, my mom has been covering for maternity leave at one of the bigger employers here in Hamilton. Her contract is over at the end of April and will not be renewed. She has been sending her CV off for jobs since January - around 10 a week. Sadly she has not had one interview! Employers are been VERY picky and fussy over who they employ.
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: frodo/maya on April 11, 2010, 03:32:59 pm
Well I must ad.....considering the fact that we have PR and we can't find work from SA, I also think I is EXTREMELY risky at this stage for anybody to go cowboy.

The fact that there will be a lot of saners that would go to NZ cowboy considering the recent nonsense in sa, I think NZ is going to get a influx of saners going to take this huge risk.
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: SaKiwiBoer on April 11, 2010, 08:41:59 pm
The fact that there will be a lot of saners that would go to NZ cowboy .... I think NZ is going to get a influx of saners going to take this huge risk.

I just hope "sanity" will prevail and that not a lot of SA'ns try and do this "to get out". NZ employers are very "picky" in this "recession". They "look" for excellent candidates that would "normally" not move but are at present without a job and they are only "picking" the "cream of the crop". Can't say I blame them but it is very annoying and frustrating for the applicants. But in my opinion NZ employers are not very employee orientated as is the case in SA. Cheers, SAKB.
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: SusanJ on April 13, 2010, 09:49:00 am
To add a bit of balance here:
Although the sentiments in general are very valid, I still say that there are certain fields out there that have definately picked up. I'm an IT BA and in the last month I've probably had about 2 - 3 calls a week from agencies I dealt with when I first arrived, wanting to know if I was available for a position. In particular, I think there is alot of movement in the telecommunications industry.
Just a thought, use it, don't use it... :)

Good luck to everyone!
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Zorg on April 15, 2010, 10:49:59 am
Nolan.......yoo trooly are a "supreme being".........thankyew fer the heads-up   :not_worthy:

SusanJ.......thankyew fer those encouraging words, I am in the telecoms line

I have submitted EOI but am currently without work in SA, in fact for 6 months already. So i am very tempted to get on the next plane and do the "cowboy"..... :eyesclosed:
My wife and kids to remain while i check "the lay of the land"
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Zorg on April 15, 2010, 11:47:53 am
Ag no mahn!!!   :-\

"Telecom to slash 200 senior jobs
4:37 PM Thursday Apr 15, 2010

Telecom says it is targeting a reduction of 200 management positions this year.

Telecom chief executive Paul Reynolds talked about the management job reduction target at a briefing on today's guidance. He said given weaker revenue the company was managing costs and had identified further opportunities to take costs out of the busine"

Wee deemund de end to this unfair practise of recession...........VIVA!!!!
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Zorg on April 15, 2010, 12:08:00 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/headlines.cfm?c_id=3
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Zorg on April 20, 2010, 10:30:08 am
sorry to say the teleco sector not looking healthy at present.   

"Australian owned telecommunications company TelstraClear is looking to cut 120 call centre jobs in New Zealand, moving the service to Manila in the Philippines.

TelstraClear told Fairfax media 120 jobs were under consideration, including 75 in Christchurch, but it was only a proposal at this stage."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10639678
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: cyclewife on May 12, 2010, 12:59:09 pm
Hi all
I'm new to this forum - so bear with me.
I've been looking at the various options of entering NZ - and quite frankly - have no idea where to start...(did read here that I can't ask "personal" advise - so won't get site master into trouble)
I've sent my resume to every single job I am qualified to do - and there are plenty - to which the response is "we have to interview"
Now I don't have any work visa/permit - yet to apply for work visa - I have to have an offer of employment.
So I find myself between a rock and a hard place. Pointless sending resume. And after reading this thread - risky just hopping on a plane...
I've sent the one agent an email asking her that if I arrive there and I suitably impress her - would she forward my resume to the potential employer knowing I do not have a work visa yet? to which I am waiting for a reply.

Can anyone advise what the finance industry is like as I see a lot of vacancies within the banking industry - and I have approx 15 years banking experience - banking, credit, mortgage lending & real estate.
Any input would be appreciated.
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Nolan on May 12, 2010, 09:31:39 pm
:bigwelcome: to the site Cyclewife.

The chicken - egg catch 22 is terrible, but what can we do, it ain't gonna change any time soon.

The main point of this thread is that if you don't qualify for PR and need a job offer in order to get enough points to qualify, you take a huge risk by packing up your life in SA before coming here to look for work.

Coming over while on leave at your SA employer is a different story, then if things don't work out you can continue as if nothing had happened.
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: SaKiwiBoer on May 12, 2010, 09:39:00 pm
Coming over while on leave at your SA employer is a different story, then if things don't work out you can continue as if nothing had happened.

But you have the added "inspiration" when you're here, to "do get" a job otherwise you know what you're going back too....  ::)  .  :gl2:  SAKB.
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Nolan on May 12, 2010, 09:41:22 pm
O0
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: cyclewife on May 13, 2010, 09:31:37 pm
:bigwelcome: to the site Cyclewife.



Thanks for the welcome Nolan  :)

I'm "lucky" in the fact that I can take leave whenever I feel like it and know that the business will continue without me. My staff are truly amazing. And I've played open cards with them. My rock in the office has offered to continue running the business for me while I'm away...for which I will compensate her of course.
As long as I have my laptop and an internet connection - I'm in touch... so yip - I could come on over and do the search thing....
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Nolan on May 14, 2010, 01:15:02 pm
You are very lucky then
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: bardey on May 26, 2010, 11:32:18 am
Hi all forumites,

Does anyone know of reasonably-priced LSD trips ( companies, etc.) to NZ?

Thanks
bardey
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: SusanJ on May 26, 2010, 11:38:05 am
Its called Google. :)
Seriously though, don't bother going through companies to get sucked into a tourist trip that'll cost a fortune. So it yourself, get involved and experience the country for yourself.

You need to book flights (or do this thorugh an agent if you really must), hire a car or a camper - camper is better option as you're free to go where you like. Campervan parks are cheap accommodation. Make a list of places you want to check out. And then do.
Winters a good place to come - you see what the weather's like at its worst and know it'll only get better!

good luck!
Susan
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Lourens on May 26, 2010, 06:24:27 pm
I agree with Susan - campervan must be the best decision we took as the base for our LSD  trip in August last year even though I am not really a caravanner.  We did an LSD trip the year prior in Canada.  By comparison, we saved a bundle, met more local people than we did in Canada, got to see much more of the local flavour of things, found it much more convenient than having to constantly pack/unpack.  Going grocery shopping etc also exposed us to NZ in a way that was simply absent from our Canadian experience.  No doubt about it.  Campervan based LSD can be highly recommended - even at the tail end of winter.
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: SaKiwiBoer on May 26, 2010, 08:47:55 pm
We came over in 2006 July and August on a LSD trip. My wife has a couzin in Tauranga and we used their house as a base station and went somewhere, came back washed, repacked and ducked in another direction, came back and did it allover again. I am in favour of a LSD trip. I know not everybody can afford it but I am a bit of a "banggat". Couldn't pack up and shift half way around the world without "scouting" the place out. But that's just me. We did feel better when we came back in 2007 and things were familiar, which made everything just so much easier. Just my 2c worth again, SAKB.
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Nolan on May 27, 2010, 02:31:38 am
Kiwiboer (not the one on this site  ;D ) offers LSD trips - HERE (http://www.kiwiboer.virafrikaans.com/)
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: SusanJ on May 27, 2010, 08:45:52 am
Campervan based LSD can be highly recommended - even at the tail end of winter.

I would say, ESPECIALLY at the tail end of winter. Our LSD was in August 2008 and the majestic mountains of the South, covered in snow, gave us yet ANOTHER reason (of MANY) to come back quickly! :)

As Lourens said, it gives you a good basis to be doing grocery shopping and an idea of what day-to-day living could be like.

Cheers,
Susan
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: bardey on May 27, 2010, 09:15:00 am
Well, I'm convinced - campervan it will have to be, then....now all I have to do is inform my DH of "our" decison... ;)

Thanks for great advice everyone :-*

bardey's "better half"
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: cyclewife on May 27, 2010, 01:51:59 pm
Going through all the threads again...i'm contemplating making a trip. DH has already been - few years ago...and he loved it... but I think I need to go and see for myself.
Especially if we thinking of going the LBTV route - then going for a couple of weeks to do some market research would be best.  Emailing etc is fair and well - but you'll get more input from people in the industry if you standing infront of them....building relationships while there can only improve one's chances of putting a great business plan together and pave the way to start operating when you land - instead of wasting time - only have 9 months to get it up and running to get the extension of the 27 months...
mmmmmm....
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: SusanJ on May 28, 2010, 11:33:46 pm
Well, I'm convinced - campervan it will have to be, then....now all I have to do is inform my DH of "our" decison... ;)

Hehehehe...That's the way to do it! :)

BTW: Another GREAT reason to campervan in winter (August is good) - the prices are WAY lower than in summer time!
We've always hired from these guys www.backpackercampervans.co.nz (http://www.backpackercampervans.co.nz)  - I've found them to have the best prices in winter. There are other places www.jucy.co.nz (http://www.jucy.co.nz) that might offer deals like free N - S Island ferry tickets (or discounts) etc.
Just Google and search and have fun planning! :0

Cheers,
Susan
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: SaKiwiBoer on May 29, 2010, 10:21:17 pm
Thanks for great advice everyone :-*

bardey's "better half"

Now "better half" why don't you get your "own" sign on and then we know exactly who we're talking too   :2funny:  . Cheers, SAKB
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: cyclewife on May 31, 2010, 11:07:34 am
 :flight: Well - it looks like my plans are coming together to make a trip mid July to mid August.  Been told it is the coldest time of year..... brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

So what do you guys think  :confused: I suppose that seeing NZ during the worst weather is a good thing... if I can handle it... then it's a given...  :whistle:
My friend in Chch will take leave and do a road trip with me.. from chch all the up to other friends of mine in Kerikeri.  I'm actually getting quite excited  :yippee:
Her and I on a road trip - oh man.... will have fun in the sun...oops - I mean snow!!!

This is probably going to ME....  :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: bring on the thermal underwear.
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: frodo/maya on May 31, 2010, 12:35:01 pm
 :2funny: :2funny: excellent Cyclewife!

We did our LSD during this time- June - July and we REALLY enjoyed it!

 ;)
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: SaKiwiBoer on May 31, 2010, 06:22:30 pm
  :2funny:  :2funny:  :2funny: Excellent!!
Jip, we also came over on our LSD in July and August and said that if we thought we couldn't do it then, then we wouldn't do it at all, and it wasn't too bad. Cheers, SAKB
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: SusanJ on June 01, 2010, 09:54:18 am
I think its perfect. :)
We did our LSD trip August/Sept and spent time in Auckland and even more time on the South Island. It was cold, but thermals are DEFINATELY the way to go (as is a good water & wind proof jacket!)

In fact, we loved our LSD camper trip so much, we're doing another one next month! :)  :smitten:
Flying to Christchurch, picking up a camper and tripping around. Can't wait!! I also can't wait to actually see it snowing - which is my main reason for braving the weather. Figured we can keep going in the camper until we find snow, if we have to chase it all around the South ISland! :)
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: cyclewife on June 01, 2010, 10:08:23 am
Hey SusanJ...don't think you'll have problem find snow next month...  ;D

Thanks guys/dolls... Now I know I'm doing the right thing.
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: SaKiwiBoer on June 01, 2010, 07:50:05 pm
Figured we can keep going in the camper until we find snow, if we have to chase it all around the South Island! :) 

 :2funny:  :2funny: Don't think you're going to search too much....  :2funny: , by the time you guys are going there might not be any roads left to search on because they may ALL be under some SNOW  :2funny:  :2funny: . Go and enjoy!!! I still want to take a camper and do the SI but the "funding" at the present moment is not coming through...  :2funny: . Enjoy, SAKB
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Mosescapetown on September 09, 2011, 06:24:47 am
I must be honest... Hiring a camper to do the LSD is something I never thought of... this sounds like a great plan... :clap: :smart:

** tearing up all the old plans** :uglystupid2:

I am definitely going to go the camper route... but I have a few small general questions on this... will read some more and if I cannot find it I will open a new thread.. 8)

great advice so far..  :smitten:
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Goldie&3Bears on March 15, 2013, 10:37:58 am
Wow received so much great new info on this thread!

One quick question, just how warm are those campers in the winter nights? I can just imagine freezing my behind off when its snowing  ???

I looked at some sites that you can rent campervans (thanks for the links!). Will have to send them emails to hear if we may hire one if you only have a SA drivers licence. Can anyone advice what the park fees are per night? Would like to work out a +- budget of course and not sure where to get those prices.

thanks
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: mbl77 on March 15, 2013, 11:44:31 am
Wow received so much great new info on this thread!

One quick question, just how warm are those campers in the winter nights? I can just imagine freezing my behind off when its snowing  ???

I looked at some sites that you can rent campervans (thanks for the links!). Will have to send them emails to hear if we may hire one if you only have a SA drivers licence. Can anyone advice what the park fees are per night? Would like to work out a +- budget of course and not sure where to get those prices.

thanks

No idea about the campervan, but you can find out the camping prices here - http://www.top10.co.nz/
Title: Re: LSD Trip Warning !!!
Post by: Goldie&3Bears on March 16, 2013, 06:11:52 pm
Thanks a lot for the links!
 :flowers: